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I think Soldano cabs have Eminence speakers. I'm not sure what model though.

not sure why i remember this and may be wrong...its true soldano uses eminence...i think its eminence legends???

Soldano uses V1216s.

I don't know man. I have Celestion G12H(55)'s and had a WGS ET65. I think they overlap too much in terms of clear treble, smooth mids, and bass punch. I'd go with something with more mids to mix in, like a Vet 30/Retro 30. I had the Vet 30/ET65 combo in both closed and open back cabs, and it was an excellent match. If you don't like V30's because the mids are too hard/harsh, but like a lot of mids still, then the Vet 30 would be an excellent choice.

If you're looking at Eminence too, I will say that for my halfback 2x12 I'm currently contemplating a Wizard/Swamp Thang combo. I already have a Wizard, which is an excellent speaker. I want to be able to mimic some of the punch and mid grind of my Mesa V30/EV12L loaded 4x12 in a more portable package that I'm not so worried about leaving somewhere($$$). Maybe you may want to entertain that idea. Knowing me though I'll say fuck that, and spend money I shouldn't on some alnico SRO's because I'm a fucking boutique/rare/vintage speaker whore.

My real recommendation is throwing caution and all your discretionary spending to the wind and loading that bitch with 3 EV12L and 3 Fane AXA12. I can tell you from experience in my 4x12 that that was the most utterly devastating and bad ass pairing I ever used for metal/doom tones. So articulate yet smooth, powerful, overwhelming punch. There was no amount of low end I could throw at that cab that made it flinch, and I run a parametric EQ with heavy overdrive up front to boost the fuck out of my lows when playing the doom. I was nailing Pike's DITC tones when trying to learn Turk and Fury Whip. Fucking, I need another pair of Fanes myself so I can have a pair on each side.

Oh, I do currently have the Mesa V30's paired with the EV12L's, and that cab is totally sick sounding man. The EV's and V30's definitely are very complimentary, and it's a very full and ballsy tone with unreal amounts of punch and grind. The other side is Fane AXA12's and Celestion G12H(55)'s, another outstanding combination, with punch, warmth, depth, an incredible chewy mid-range grind, and the sweetest treble ever that makes it my favorite speaker pairing ever. Serious, it's incredibly hard to make your tone bad through this speaker combo. That also works quite well for most doom/metal tones, but it's more my warm sweet vintage cab, whereas the EV12L/V30 cab is more about brutality.

My speaker goal is to have two 6x12 (4x12+2x12 on each side) stacks by the end of next year. I'm almost there, Just need a pair of SRO's and another pair of Fanes, just not sure if it's gonna be Fane Studio L's, AXA12's, or Medusa's I end up with. I'll have a pair of Fanes, a pair of Celestions, and a pair of EV's on each side.

I just got my governors and cannabis Rex speakers I mixed in a 412 and it's sounding preetttyyy good so far with my yba3. They were brand new, so I'm gonna give them a bit to break in. My other two cabs are a greenback 412 and an EVM12L 2x12. All sound different, this new Eminence loaded 412 sits just in between with plenty of flavor (like the greenbacks) and tons of volume like the EVs

chillerthanmost wrote:I just got my governors and cannabis Rex speakers I mixed in a 412 and it's sounding preetttyyy good so far with my yba3. They were brand new, so I'm gonna give them a bit to break in. My other two cabs are a greenback 412 and an EVM12L 2x12. All sound different, this new Eminence loaded 412 sits just in between with plenty of flavor (like the greenbacks) and tons of volume like the EVs

Hmmmm, What is the ohm rating on each cab, and have you used them together powered by the same head? If so did one cab overpower the other in terms of volume?

The reason I ask is I am also contemplating adding a green back loaded 4x12 instead of 2 more Fanes, which I would run with my two EV12L's or a pair of SRO's on one side.

The Mad Titan wrote:

chillerthanmost wrote:I just got my governors and cannabis Rex speakers I mixed in a 412 and it's sounding preetttyyy good so far with my yba3. They were brand new, so I'm gonna give them a bit to break in. My other two cabs are a greenback 412 and an EVM12L 2x12. All sound different, this new Eminence loaded 412 sits just in between with plenty of flavor (like the greenbacks) and tons of volume like the EVs

Hmmmm, What is the ohm rating on each cab, and have you used them together powered by the same head? If so did one cab overpower the other in terms of volume?

The reason I ask is I am also contemplating adding a green back loaded 4x12 instead of 2 more Fanes, which I would run with my two EV12L's or a pair of SRO's on one side.

Yeah, I'm currently running my 4x12 with Scumbacks (16ohms) with my 2x12 with EV's (also 16 ohms) together out of my Sound City. It sounds pretty fucking good. They are fairly matched as far as overall volume. The 4x12 sits on top of the 2x12, so that one is more direct as far as being audible. But luckily the 2x12 below is A) open back and B) has louder speakers (EV's are 101dB each vs. GB's only around 98dB each)...

I thought that the 2x12 would over power the 4x12, for the same reasons I just mentioned, but I think the fact that the Scumbacks, even though they are 65 w each, have the same break up characteristics as 25w greenbacks, giving them the perceived volume of speakers being pushed hard, while the EV's take much more to break up. I think the mix is pretty good between the two type of speakers. It would probably be better with SRO's since they are a little warmer and closer to a greenback tone than 12L's. I always wanted a pair of SRO's but was never able to find some at my price range, so I settled with the 12L's.

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The new Eminence speakers in my other cab (Ampeg V2) are also sounding more awesome each time I play the cab. A little more modern sounding but it really makes the amp pop, and eminence speakers are fucking loud, which is rad. Needed that in there for that side to keep up with my Sound City rig and to match the SVT we play bass out of. The C.REX and GOV combo reminds me of when I had V30's and 65's mixed (WGS) but not as dark and not as buttery/smooth. A little more edge to this mix.

In case you could get your hands on a pair of vintage 50Watt Fanes: Grab em, and worry about the other four later. I say "a pair", cause they could be pricey.

It's sorta mission impossible, but for my own cab I'd love to pair of old Fanes with two G12H30's. If the 50 vs 30Watt power rating is a good idea that is, not yet sure.

I'm also not the biggest V30 fan, but they're relatively easy to find used for cheaps, and combined with two -or in your case four- slightly darker speakers, the somewhat fizzy top end might get balanced out nicely

The WGS Reaper is are avertised as a "drop in replacement for Celestion G12H30's Heritage Edition". Checked some comparison yt demos, and they don't sound identical AT ALL imo

Not that they sound bad though, I'd actually consider getting a pair myself.

frigid midget wrote:In case you could get your hands on a pair of vintage 50Watt Fanes: Grab em, and worry about the other four later. I say "a pair", cause they could be pricey.

It's sorta mission impossible, but for my own cab I'd love to pair of old Fanes with two G12H30's. If the 50 vs 30Watt power rating is a good idea that is, not yet sure.

I'm also not the biggest V30 fan, but they're relatively easy to find used for cheaps, and combined with two -or in your case four- slightly darker speakers, the somewhat fizzy top end might get balanced out nicely

The WGS Reaper is are avertised as a "drop in replacement for Celestion G12H30's Heritage Edition". Checked some comparison yt demos, and they don't sound identical AT ALL imo

Not that they sound bad though, I'd actually consider getting a pair myself.

I have 100 watt alnico Fanes paired with my G12H(55), and they work quite well together.

How would you guys describe the different Fane speakers? It's hard to get decent reviews as they're almost like Klon's, everyone who uses em are such fanboys its hard to get a valid review / description. The reason I ask is because I'm interested in swapping the speakers in my 2x12 1x15 and I'm trying to consider all options before I decide. To be honest I would most likely have to go with the ceramic weber clones (of the AXA12 and AXA15) cause I can't afford full on Fane's but it would be nice to have a description so I can decide between these and just going with high power Emi Delta's.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:How would you guys describe the different Fane speakers? It's hard to get decent reviews as they're almost like Klon's, everyone who uses em are such fanboys its hard to get a valid review / description. The reason I ask is because I'm interested in swapping the speakers in my 2x12 1x15 and I'm trying to consider all options before I decide. To be honest I would most likely have to go with the ceramic weber clones (of the AXA12 and AXA15) cause I can't afford full on Fane's but it would be nice to have a description so I can decide between these and just going with high power Emi Delta's.

I can't speak to the other models, but the AXA12 is a warm speaker with lots of midrange grind, but the grind is very fine, smooth, and chewy, not coarse, cold, or stiff sounding. The treble is smooth, detailed, and sparkly, really beautiful. The low end is punchy enough, but there's always a warm elastic and slightly hairy quality to the lows.

They're a little on the darker/warmer/chewier side of the speaker spectrum. I've seen where some people compared them to the Celestion Blue, I don't see that at all. The Celestion is brighter, has that Celestion chime, and is a much more out of control sounding speaker. The Fanes take a lot of power and punch to make them lose their composure, yet they are dynamic. They want to grind some at all times, and even set for a nice smokey clean it doesn't take much to coax out snarling double stops,and chunky/crunchy power-chords. These are smokier and meaner sounding than the Blues by far, but the iron fist comes in a velvet glove. At louder volume they compress beautifully and the mids jump out big time.

I'm gonna try some out a Medusa 150 and 150C some time in the next year too. I'll see how I like those, and if I don't go gaga for them then I'll probably flip them for another pair of AXA12 or a pair of Studio L's.

If I compared them to a Celestion it would be like the thicker darker warmth of the G12H(55) paired with the mid range complexity and sweet treble of a Greenback, and add some alnico compression to the mix. They don't have as much lowend as the G12H(55), and the mids are more forward and aggressive.

Thanks bud!

I'm definitely looking for a darker speaker as the Emi's in it now are exceedingly bright. I might have to take the leap and try the weber clones when my tax return comes in.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:Thanks bud!

I'm definitely looking for a darker speaker as the Emi's in it now are exceedingly bright. I might have to take the leap and try the weber clones when my tax return comes in.

I don't know man. My experience with Weber clones is mixed. I had for a long time a Weber 123055 which is his clone of the G12H(55) Blackbacks from the '70s. It sounded way more like a slightly warmer G12M Greenback than it did like my G12H(55)'s. Don't get me wrong, it was a great sounding speaker, but it didn't have the bold thick tone of the original or the faster transient response and bigger voice of the H magnet type Celestion speaker. Makes sense since the Weber was a 97 db sensitivity speaker, and the real deal G12H is a 100 db speaker.

On the other hand one guy who frequents GAB and also used to hang on HCAF swears by his Weber ceramic AXA12 clones and says they're some of the best speakers he's had, but I haven't compared them. I know my experience with the 123055 turned me off from the idea of getting a pair of alnico Michigans to sate my SRO jones.

Another thought, the WGS ET65 which is supposed to be a G12-65 clone (which it doesn't sound like either) sounded much closer to my G12H(55)'s than the Weber clone did. I really liked the WGS speakers I've had too, which included a pair of Vet 30's and an ET65. The ET65 and Vet 30 combo in particular sounded awesome together. It was a very full & bold pairing with a balanced sound that worked for everything I threw at it. The lows weren't HUGE, but very much there and ballsy, and keep in mind my reference for HUGE is EVM12L's.

I got rid of them since in the end I wanted all higher efficiency speakers for my set up since it makes it easier for mixing and matching when speaker pairing, and truth be told in general I tend to prefer the tones of higher efficiency speakers. They tend to be bolder, faster, more dynamic & 3d to my ears. Sound seems to jump out the speakers more if that makes sense. Like the difference between G12T-75's and G12H(75)'s.

The Mad Titan wrote: I have 100 watt alnico Fanes paired with my G12H(55), and they work quite well together.

I'm sure they do, but in theory, shouldn't those Fanes dominate that combination? Not that that's necessary a bad thing, I'm just saying...
I was always told that unless the DBL ratings of your speakers are within 2db of each other, one speaker will sound slightly louder than the other. Again, not that that has to be a big deal, and I'm sure the '2db' rule should be taken with a grain of salt...

Depending on the particular speakers, a difference of 40Watt can easily translate to a 3db SLP difference. Afaik, it's gonna be damn hard for the human ear to notice a 3db difference, right?