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Yea, doesn't get very fast. It's mostly good for the slow choppy stuff (which is what I keep it for). My custom trem in my 3-in-1 NoisekickFX box goes radically faster (and even it still isn't lightspeed) - I think the photocells etc only go so fast before they just don't register.

rfurtkamp wrote:Yea, doesn't get very fast. It's mostly good for the slow choppy stuff (which is what I keep it for). My custom trem in my 3-in-1 NoisekickFX box goes radically faster (and even it still isn't lightspeed) - I think the photocells etc only go so fast before they just don't register.

Cool, thanks for doing some research for me. Yeah I guess the speed depends on the limitations of the circuit. That's why I'm wondering if digital is the way for me, but that Pulsar demo on mono sounded fast enough to be subliminal. Basically, I run a stereo rig and I want it to shudder, just audibly enough to be disorienting and just below the borderline of nausea, and fast enough where you don't hear the bibbles. I can produce that on my computer but obviously I would like to do it live. I think ryan summit might have one of those Pulsars so I'll hit him up.

Yea, at superhigh settings the Idiotbox doesn't even seem to do anything - it's on, but the effect is inaudible even on phones.

Max is warbly and it's not stereo. I can get faster digitally but it's not a panning effect then either.

When I wanted disorienting live back in the day, I'd run a stereo amp rig with one of the old digital delays with LFO (intended to be a flange/chorus/delay switcheroo to save $$$), with the LFO set very very slow but wide on whatever the max delay time was, at a subtle mix so it was just washing around like a drunken squarewave sailor.

rfurtkamp wrote:Yea, at superhigh settings the Idiotbox doesn't even seem to do anything - it's on, but the effect is inaudible even on phones.

Max is warbly and it's not stereo. I can get faster digitally but it's not a panning effect then either.

When I wanted disorienting live back in the day, I'd run a stereo amp rig with one of the old digital delays with LFO (intended to be a flange/chorus/delay switcheroo to save $$$), with the LFO set very very slow but wide on whatever the max delay time was, at a subtle mix so it was just washing around like a drunken squarewave sailor.

I have a TC Electronic Nova Delay which at really fast settings does what I think you're talking about. Between 1 and 20 ms it has a range of wubbly feels that I like, set on ping-pong, with weirder sounds depending on how I set the modulation. There are 2 problems though... If I hit the tap tempo I lose that setting, so unless I inject my foot with crystal meth I can't tap it back into that speed, and also I really like using it as a delay pedal and would rather have something separate and dedicated to jiggling my lefts and rights.

Yea, I did it with a much longer sweep, I went for wide and mean and barely audible unless I stopped playing.

Never been a real fast trem/vibe guy (used it tonight testing this for the first time in ages).

An element of the sound I'm going for is double-tracked guitars, and a simulation of the interplay between two different-responding amps. Like the way 2 different speaker cabs respond at slightly different speeds, thus juggling the sound back and forth. Of course I can (and do) get this by using different cabs (2x12 on one side, 2x10 on the other), but I want an exaggerated version of this. I have an oddball piece of gear that I got at a salvage shop, it's a stereo simulator that's kind of Leslie-like, but it's XLR in/out only and it has some noise issues aka it's a little fucked up.

Yea, I'm not sure how to refine what you're wanting down.

I'd go straight to ADT-type rack effects and tweak the basic models (Quadraverb has a couple patches that I'd go to first in my rig) - I'm not sure there's a pedal that will do it standalone without spending big bucks, if even then. Maybe the Eventides.

This is as fast as the Mad Doctor gets before becoming inaudible (and the effect gets greatly diminished if you add *any* gain):



(minor delay added courtesy Space Echo but it's properly maintained and any modulation is from the Mad Doc, Jaguar into Hot Rod Deluxe)

Whoa, demos served up quick at casa de furtkamp!

Well this is all food for thought. Thanks again, I'm gonna sleep on this and see what tomorrow brings. Cheers!

I was playing with it, liked where it was going, and hit record. Wasn't real hard!

A V3 Cusack Tap-A-Whirl has stereo out (with a TRS) and with tap-tempo multiplier can get you pretty damn fast (and in time!)

Though it doesn't have stereo and is not cheap, the fastest trem i've come across is the Hexe reVolver II in "Auto" mode with the sample set really low. Makes the Mobius' 600 bpm seem slow in comparison.

Line 6 M5 set to Panner.

ryan summit's Stereo Pulsar on my board, and doing exactly what I was hoping it would do. Only way it could be better is if it had an expression jack to control the speed, but that's an easy mod.

Thanks ryan summit and thanks bigchiefbc! Thanks, everyone.

It's disgustingly fast! I ran it stereo into some headphones and my skull cracked.

I love this idea.