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Ancient Astronaught wrote:

warwick.hoy wrote:High Gain; Agro/Filth.

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Every time I've seen them they've been using either Orange or Marshall 4x12 cab's with 50-60 watt amp's (Orange or peavey mainly). Hopefully that helps.

I thought I saw homie use a Framus amp on one of the Hellfest Vids; but that could've been provided backline or some shit. I think Pleasants uses/used an OR50 or something.

GardenoftheDead wrote:Your bandmates aren't going to like you doing power tube saturation with any amp really.

Fucking bandmates.

(for clarity sake; I meant in a bassist's role).

Haha! Yeah dude fuck em. Start a war of escalation, your drummer will love it anyway.
Power tube crunch is really where it's at, and as Skip mentioned, Kylesa (whom I love by the by, especially static tensions era, so much thickness to their tone) are all about the orange. They were using Krank heads and dual recs on that record as well if I'm not mistaken.
I have a sovtek mig 50 and an orange closed back 2x12 and it's a lot of volume, certainly keeps up with a Marshall jcm800 and 4x12. No hassle.
I get all my dirt from pedals, as there is no hope of pushing the sovtek into tube distortion category without first destroying my hearing. In a full band situation I'd move up to/add a 4x12....but I am a fan of overkill.
Other points to note: if that's the tone/sound your band is chasing, then you should pursue, and I don't see why your band mates would harass you when you should all be aiming to get into that territory.
Others may disagree. That's cool too, more than one way to slice it.

You should check out Whitebox. They're the same price as Avatar, but have way more speaker options and (IMO) have a better fit and finish.

Here is a picture of mine:


It's loaded with Emi Wizards, and is loud as ballz.

Thanks for the tip!! I'll look into them for sure.

warwick.hoy wrote:I thought I saw homie use a Framus amp on one of the Hellfest Vids; but that could've been provided backline or some shit. I think Pleasants uses/used an OR50 or something.

I've seen them use one of those before as well, they are gear nerds just like us so they cycle through equipment. Back in the day it was all Peavey's and Dual Rec's but lately I've seen more Orange from Laura and Phillip has used a myriad of different heads.

Dammit; I'm really torn at this point. Between the Orange TH30 and the OR15.

TH30


• 30/15 or 7ish watts with two tubes pulled from the circuit. But is it smart to do this for extended periods of time?
  
• Two Channel Amp
  
• Seems to be well regarded for cleans
  
• Has the headroom but is that good or bad for the power tube saturation

OR15


• 15/7 watts
  
• Single Channel Amp that I feel like I can just crank the holy living fuck and thump the shit out of it with fuzz.
  
• What if I do want to play cleans?
  
• Fuck it I don't want to play cleans

Okay I'm totally lying; I may want to play some clean shit too

15 watts won't cut it if your drummer beats the shit out of the kit. Relaxed drummer, yes.

That's what I was thinking,...of the Two the TH30 seems to be the most versatile and accommodating to most situations. If I wind up with relaxed drummer I can kick the TH30 down to 15 watts. I doubt that I'd be very accepting of a relaxed drummer though but who knows at this point.

Also I found the TH30 for less than a grand through "Humbucker Music" but I have no idea how reputable they are. Unfortunately I'm not a doctor or a lawyer,...so a Thunderverb is way out of my league.

Humbucker Music is legit, so far as I've ever heard. I've been aware of them for nearly a decade.

On pulling a pair of tubes, be aware that the trick is hazardous on most cathode biased amps like AC-30's. I think the TH-30 is also cathode biased. If there is a separate cathode resistor per pair of output tubes, it can be done safely, but very few manufacturers do this. Check with Orange before you kill something.

The +3 dB thing about more speakers is true ... EXCEPT only when the waves of the drivers combine coherently. At 1 kHz a wavelength is only about 1.5' so 2 drivers, one 9" further away than the other, almost completely cancel each other out at that frequency. So mainly the bass (LONG waves) increases -- and suddenly the +3 dB doesn't seem hard to believe, as you have probably experienced that more drivers=more bass. Dispersion is not increased, it is narrowed IF there is some point that is close to the same distance from all drivers it will be very loud there and possibly bright (e.g. a fullstack outdoors at a distance). OTOH the sound starts out more dispersed, so at close range it will be improved.

This all helps bass instruments more, plus the fact their speakers are more stressed already, while guitars sometimes can barely reach the sweet spot for the drivers to sound right (really only about 10 watts each).

As to power stage distortion, it is great but moves towards the sound balance of the speakers themselves -- EQ becomes less functional. I now prefer a good bit of bass and treble boost with my cab which overwhelms the amp if pushed too hard, although there is a good sweet spot as the amp is pushed slightly. Some dirt sounds best through clean, or at least more unique and tight.

In either case, adding speakers in a large venue will help counteract a thinning of the sound.

Awesome first post spentron, thanks for the knowledge...

VAAAAAAAADEEEEEEER.

warwick.hoy wrote:Bonus Question; what would be some good drivers to consider for these amps. I'm looking for a nice creamy bass heavy tone (Sludge/Doom/Stoner whatever) that plays well with fuzz. I'm currently looking into Avatar Contemporary 2x12s; cause I'm cheap and have had good experiences with Avatar.

Can we please start an Internet band? The two of us could probably cover almost everything. We both play guitar and bass. We both love that slow fucking sludge music. We both love Avatar.

That's 66.60% of ILF at least...

LET'S ALL COLLAB ON A SLUDGE JAM.

The guitarist in my old band used a TH30, sounded pretty good.
Although he did need PA reinforcement to keep up with me and the drummer.
That was probably more my fault though (2x215s).
You're going to lose some volume in the dirty channel, so watch out for that.
But yeah, nice amp.