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with the rate at which new pedals are coming out and new builders are emerging, the re-20 does seem old to me.

Chankgeez wrote:

sonidero wrote:You should buy whatever YOU think sounds good...

This aint no contest...

... oh, yes, it is ...

I'd imagine they're awesome when they come up used because people dump them for the new hotness. Forum chatter always seemed to be that they got the delay vibe right, just not the tape oddity stuff that the El Cap also models. Never went there because I own a 201 and I don't gig, so no size premium.

stripes wrote:I mean... JOHNNY GREENWOOD IS STILL COOL.

Jonny Greenwood will always be cool.

The difference between one and my RE-150 or the 201s and 301s I've had in the past are negligible in the delay area, there's a certain occasional wobble that no simulator gets right (I strongly dislike the El Cap etc because it's like hearing the old Echoplexes that I gutted for parts back 20 or so years ago as being unfit for service), but the RE-20 is a decent pedal.

If you know what you're getting into in the sense that it models the preamp (which you either love or hate) and the verb (which is pretty unique and chintsy) and most of the delay vibe.

it will not be a bucket brigade analog delay sound either, for those people who wish they'd bought an old DM-2 or DMM.

That said, between my RE-150 and a dozen other delays, I just haven't felt the need for a RE-20.

Every time I have to change the tape on the real one, though, I really think about it, because I still hate doing it.

I dug the RE-20, but I ended up realizing that when I'm doing feedback freak-out spaceship-taking-off noises, I prefer the sound of bucket-brigade delays to tape delays. So I ended up with an EHX DMB for that stuff. And when I want rhythmic normal delay stuff, I want digital perfectness, so traded my RE-20 for a DD-20, straight up. Between those two, I have all the delay I can ever imagine needing.

The thing with any of the Space Echoes (and the RE-20 if you don't use tap tempo) is it makes you work with what you get -the distance between the heads, the various settings, etc. I've always sort of liked making it work, especially when you find something good then discover it's even better when you add another head or two.

For pure tape type simulation in digital, my Digitech Time Bender works wonders, doing the sliding head/increasing repreat Echoplex thing nearly perfectly.

Someday I'll get a RE-20 though, just to run faux Space Echo into Real Space Echo and see what happens.

anyone played the wampler faux tape? always wondered how that thing sounded.

rfurtkamp wrote:The thing with any of the Space Echoes (and the RE-20 if you don't use tap tempo) is it makes you work with what you get -the distance between the heads, the various settings, etc. I've always sort of liked making it work, especially when you find something good then discover it's even better when you add another head or two.

For pure tape type simulation in digital, my Digitech Time Bender works wonders, doing the sliding head/increasing repreat Echoplex thing nearly perfectly.

Someday I'll get a RE-20 though, just to run faux Space Echo into Real Space Echo and see what happens.

totally forgot about that setting on my timebender but spent some time there tonight and it is insanely good.
The timebender can do such bizarre noises that you sometimes forget it does great vintage style delays

Yea, it's the overlooked monster.

If I had to tour again, I'd probably just get a couple Timebenders and leave the Space Echo at home, leave one of them set to the multihead setting that comes close to my actual box and call it good.

I like RE-20 a lot, sounds nice to me, and You can get tasty freak out goodness from it.

It's really silent though, compared to my fuzz pedals - they are supposed to play LOUD, You know. Placed RE-20 in a tbp loop with loud boost and You're fine, even if it has to compete with Dwarfcraft, Fuzzhugger and DE pedals.

AND since it comes with BOSS buffer, placing it adventurously in middle of the chain can cause fuzz pedals to sound meh. Again, tbp loop, saves the day. Also, I use only outageous and more compressed fuzzes after the RE-20 when it's on.

madmax1012 wrote:anyone played the wampler faux tape? always wondered how that thing sounded.

i'm a proud owner, got it from Kayzer WAAAAAAYYYYY back... seriously my favourite delay yet (and i've had a few), despite it's relative simplicity

a) great attack-controlled modulation
b) can get pretty clean or pretty dark with the Feedback and Tone knobs nicely interacting and controlling the overall headroom
c) tone all the way down and feedback all the way up is just so beautiful... if you don't crank the Tone, it doesn't oscillate, it just does this nice washy textural and VERY long pad underneath your playing
d) blends very well with your dry signal if you want it to - otherwise it can easily be made very pronounced for them rhytmical delays
e) very nice oscillation, i'd say
f) just the warmth of the repeats, i don't know... i love it

pair it up with a Disaster Transport and you're in heaven... oh, how i miss my DT

too bad it doesn't have trails

I think the RE-20 kills dude. I got a floor model one for 180 bux and it's been with me for years. I prefer tape sim pedals over pretty much all other delays, and this one wins the battle. I've tried a bunch of other delays at the shop I work at and none of them really stand up except like the endangered audio one. I have a TC Alter Ego for the Echorec setting, but everything else goes to the re-20.

Definitely beats out the Wampler BTW, did a shootout yesterday. (IMHO, YMMV, etc)

There's an awesome ambient-y band in my town and the keyboard player uses one of these. I know their guitarist used to have a DD-20 but I think he has a Strymon Brigadier now.