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well, jeez, that pretty much renders 40% of post-Trane free jazz irrelevant, huh?

So, anybody want to recommend me more classical?

I like stuff that is really sad and/or dark. No major stuff. I repeat, no major stuff. I can't stress this enough. If it sounds like there is even a single happy, or hopeful chord in the entire thing, I can pass.

jfrey wrote:So, anybody want to recommend me more classical?

I like stuff that is really sad and/or dark. No major stuff. I repeat, no major stuff. I can't stress this enough. If it sounds like there is even a single happy, or hopeful chord in the entire thing, I can pass.

Sounds like seasonal affective disorder has really set in...

This is actually a website: http://www.sadclassicalmusic.com/

p.s. I think hopeful chords getting crushed is much sadder than just sad chords...

hclapp219 wrote:Sounds like seasonal affective disorder has really set in...

Just my preference. I'm very very picky about major based music.

For the most part the major sound not only doesn't sound good to me, but also sounds "wrong" in a way I have trouble describing. It sounds to me like the musician missed the note they were trying to hit or something.

jfrey wrote:For the most part the major sound not only doesn't sound good to me, but also sounds "wrong" in a way I have trouble describing. It sounds to me like the musician missed the note they were trying to hit or something.

you don't like equal temperament. i.e you can hear that the Western 12-tone system is actually out-of-tune. major thirds are particularly obvious in this regard if you compare fretted notes with harmonics on the adjacent string...that's why tuning by harmonics doesn't work unless you play fretless bass.

try some ligeti

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZTaiDHqs5s[/youtube]

and some bartok

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0TQd9TWiCQ[/youtube]

and george crumb

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6BeeoX474[/youtube]

dubkitty wrote:

jfrey wrote:For the most part the major sound not only doesn't sound good to me, but also sounds "wrong" in a way I have trouble describing. It sounds to me like the musician missed the note they were trying to hit or something.

you don't like equal temperament. i.e you can hear that the Western 12-tone system is actually out-of-tune. major thirds are particularly obvious in this regard if you compare fretted notes with harmonics on the adjacent string...that's why tuning by harmonics doesn't work unless you play fretless bass.

Well damn. That makes a lot of sense then.

dubkitty wrote:

jfrey wrote:For the most part the major sound not only doesn't sound good to me, but also sounds "wrong" in a way I have trouble describing. It sounds to me like the musician missed the note they were trying to hit or something.

you don't like equal temperament. i.e you can hear that the Western 12-tone system is actually out-of-tune. major thirds are particularly obvious in this regard if you compare fretted notes with harmonics on the adjacent string...that's why tuning by harmonics doesn't work unless you play fretless bass.

To be fair, every western scale system is "out of tune", it's just a matter of where it's out of tune. Here's a quick and dirty primer of different temperaments: http://www.pyxidium.u-net.com/Acoustics ... Maths.html. Equal temperament is accepted because you can play in every key and have it not sound all that bad (and more importantly, the same!) in every key. You don't get wolf fifths like you do in mean tone temperament or three different sizes of half step like you do in just temperament. All tuning systems have compromises...

yes. i just wanted to note what he seemed to be hearing, and didn't have time to get deeply into the topic.

¡El Sonido 13, FTW!

Tristan Murail
Morton Feldman
Terry Riley
George Crumb

are some modern composers I like. while googling for Crumbs first name I stumbled into Georg Friedrich Haas. He might be interesting too.

Also two lesser known baroque composers that are really great:

Sylvius Leopold Weiss
Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber



If you are really experiencing the interval trouble that dubkitty has been describing, then maybe historical correct recordings of baroque music will be less horrible?

Charles Ives - This shit used to scare me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmhZSsas ... ata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPYJGE0 ... ata_player