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Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:44 am
by McSpunckle
For $30 I'll build you a tiny box that lets you run through your true bypass pedals without losing high end. It's called a buffer. And it's not that fucking complicated.
These systems aren't bullshit inherently. But he's exaggerating. The cables between pedals are really short. You'd need a long chain-- longer than he showed-- to really affect anything significantly. Especially if you have reasonable low capacitance cables. It's the cables from the guitar to the board and the board to the amp are what causes the problem, and this system doesn't eliminate those.
IMO, the best option is all true bypass pedals with a single buffer placed in your chain after anything that hates buffers.
Now, the switching aspect... that's a completely different thing. That's totally reasonable and could totally help some people. But the claims of tone-- and even the fragility of the pedals, frankly, are pretty well bullshit.
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:58 am
by Psyre
Wise words bestowed upon us on the day of the prophets birth!
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:01 am
by phantasmagorovich
Astricii wrote:overkill for sure. however, something like this might not be so bad if you have a lot of stacked overdrive, fuzz sounds you want to switch between and still have your delays etc. after it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBY1li4QNGo[/youtube]
they're under 300 bucks too. I could totally get down with something like this.
GODDAMN, now that is an annoying accent! Makes me want to punch that dude.
I can see the use of that stuff if you want to go recreating certain sounds. I've wondered myself if there could not be a pedal that switches the order of effects in your chain (yup, i know there is). If you are The Edge it's probably worth it to have that thing to recreate your studio sound. But you can't adjust stuff on the fly. You'd have to use f.ex. 3x the same delay set to different delay times in your shitty effects drawer. And I think it's much harder to tell that shit apart on a black slab with labeled stompswitches as compared to different coloured boxes. Also, is there anything more boring than going to a concert and have the stuff sound exactly like on record? WHAT THE FUCK! I feel cheated when that happens. I want to see live musicians being musicians. Live. Not some sort of recreational holiday for soulless robot twats.
But what actually got on my nerves was that comment where he said that five different dudes with five different guitars plugged into his thing would ACTUALLY SOUND DIFFERENT.
D'UH, BRO! That's exactly what happens when you have five different people with five different guitars plug into an amp. And then he tells you how your goddamn signal would go through less wire and thus it's all much better than a pedalboard. Is it like that fucking pedal cupboard of his transmits your signal through the eighth dimension of acute hearing? I mean, it passes through switches and shizzle it's not like you have tiny dwarves in there that magically braid the cable back together with virgins' hair whenever you don't use your effects.
(Honestly, I have no idea why I suddenly got into rant mode.)
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:37 am
by grindonomicon
McSpunkle and phantasmagoravich totally win this one.
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:07 am
by julius_deane
His new product is just a sampler that plays hi-res riffs by ripping them straight from 320k mp3s.
But seriously, in my less than 2 years with my current (always changing) rig, I've messed up enough pedals to wonder if I should get something from Loooper or Loopmaster. But I mean, switches break, etc. I doubt any of this guys stuff has Never Broken.
However, stuff like this seems only to interest guitarists who have been in car commercials.
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:27 am
by lions!
Astricii wrote:overkill for sure. however, something like this might not be so bad if you have a lot of stacked overdrive, fuzz sounds you want to switch between and still have your delays etc. after it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBY1li4QNGo[/youtube]
they're under 300 bucks too. I could totally get down with something like this.
Yeah i'd definitely be into something like this... i really don't like trying to switch multiple pedals off and on as close to "at once" as possible... then again I am probably as close to being the most anxious human alive as one can get without being a complete shut in. those scenarios sort of haunt my dreams, but that's not the norm,so i can understand why a lot of people would think it's a waste
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:08 pm
by Ghost Hip
devnulljp wrote:Different tools for different jobs.
I'm sure the Edge needs one to function ,and good luck to him. David Gilmour too.
But total overkill for most of us.
Still cool though.
Exactly how I feel. Although I have a TBD and I use it's True Bypass loop for my buffered boss and ibanez pedals. I'm not really running a long chain like in the video but if my boss tune, hm-2, and ibanez pm-7 were in the signal chain... it'd probably fuck with the oscillation and general EQ of my fuzzes.
But anywho, like devnull said, different tools for different jobs.
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:05 pm
by Gone Fission
I've thought in passing about something like the Rocktron and George Martin floor-pedal style switchers, but I don't gig so not as compelling as if I did. The advantage, from my perspective, is that if it's all on the same board, you also have instant access to the pedals for tweaking or changing what is on in a specific looped effects chain. I probably would also have to have fixed notions of what effects to use for what songs to make it really useful.
Good low capacitance cable and making sure bypasses are true or buffered probably is enough to do signal integrity in most cases.
Re: Why does this feel like bullshit...
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:32 pm
by Gearmond
the thing about big systems like this is that the market is relatively microscopic, and its amazing that so many people think they can do it