DarkAxel wrote:andtheLiquidmen wrote:It's a funny thing, hand a metal/sludge fan any poppy album and they feel glad to explain 10 reasons that it sucks, then bands like Ulver and Boris put out poppy songs and it's BRILLIAAANNNNT.

oh come on, i don't think you can compare poppy songs by boris and general pop music that is in the radio
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzFLiO5hIKA[/youtube]
i like this!
and Ulver? They've always been crazy

i don't know what do you mean by poppy songs when it comes to them...
oh btw how come noone talks smack about Torche playing songs like Across the shields (totally poppy yet awesome) or Healer (omg)? :-P
i just like the variety and i'm really curious about the rest of the album!

i listen to a lot of music, some of it more poppy, some of it is heavy sludge, whatever - it¨s all about good music, not about good genres
Wrong version of Hope, blardy, but that's beside the point.

It's not about playing poppy music at all. It's about playing music that is commonplace and people kissing ass because it's from this band and not from a band who always sounds like that. The "it's ok to like it if this band puts it out, but otherwise I wouldn't be caught dead listening to it, nor would I actually pursue bands of this sound" mentality is something that has always bugged me. This obviously doesn't include the bulk of ILFers, who seem to be an open minded bunch.
Boris had poppy songs, and they didn't sound like anyone else. New Album for the most part, sounds like a generic J-Pop/Rock album. The production, the instrumentation, everything. There are small moments that rise above the rest, overall there is very little originality behind it. It becomes "original" because it's Boris doing it. I love the variety that they have with their music, but other than this it's always been something that isn't quite so derivative. It has some enjoyable bits and pieces, but I really just can't see it as anything more than something one of the 1000s of J-Pop/Rock bands put out each year.
Ulver's newest single is some poppy darkwave with Garm singing. That's what I'm talking about.
Torche's poppier songs have nothing to do with this at all. That mixing of lowtuned sludge and pop has been there since Floor, and it doesn't sound like anyone else.
All of this being said, the CD Version is a hell of a lot more tolerable than the Vinyl one. The guitars are actually somewhat audible.