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Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:33 pm
by sevenSHARPnine
bigchiefbc wrote:I'm sure a lot of you know this already, but I'll say it anyways. Most people think they perceive a volume drop when using tremolo. This is because tremolos are at unity volume at the top of their cycle, and at less than unity for the rest of the cycle. That means that on average, the volume of the signal is lower than unity. But it does not mean that the pedal is causing a volume drop; its just a trick of the ear based on our perception. Many boutique tremolos overcome this perception by boosting the signal afterwards, to bring the average volume level back up to unity (which means the peaks are actually boosted higher than unity).
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:34 pm
by Big Mon
I onced owned the Pulsar and found it to be quite useful. Wouldn't have sold it at all if I hadn't bought an amp with onboard trem shortly thereafter. For the price,it's awesome
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:47 pm
by bigchiefbc
sevenSHARPnine wrote:bigchiefbc wrote:I'm sure a lot of you know this already, but I'll say it anyways. Most people think they perceive a volume drop when using tremolo. This is because tremolos are at unity volume at the top of their cycle, and at less than unity for the rest of the cycle. That means that on average, the volume of the signal is lower than unity. But it does not mean that the pedal is causing a volume drop; its just a trick of the ear based on our perception. Many boutique tremolos overcome this perception by boosting the signal afterwards, to bring the average volume level back up to unity (which means the peaks are actually boosted higher than unity).
Can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, so:
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:49 pm
by sevenSHARPnine
bigchiefbc wrote:sevenSHARPnine wrote:bigchiefbc wrote:I'm sure a lot of you know this already, but I'll say it anyways. Most people think they perceive a volume drop when using tremolo. This is because tremolos are at unity volume at the top of their cycle, and at less than unity for the rest of the cycle. That means that on average, the volume of the signal is lower than unity. But it does not mean that the pedal is causing a volume drop; its just a trick of the ear based on our perception. Many boutique tremolos overcome this perception by boosting the signal afterwards, to bring the average volume level back up to unity (which means the peaks are actually boosted higher than unity).
Can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, so:
no sarcasm at all! thanks for the butt though
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:50 pm
by bigchiefbc
sevenSHARPnine wrote:bigchiefbc wrote:Can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, so:
no sarcasm at all! thanks for the butt though
any time!
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:43 pm
by theavondon
sevenSHARPnine wrote:theavondon wrote:I used one once, and it seemed like there was volume drop, followed by volume increase, followed by drop at regular intervals.
it seems like every tremolo I try has this problem.
Go figure............................
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:45 am
by futuresailors
theavondon wrote:sevenSHARPnine wrote:theavondon wrote:I used one once, and it seemed like there was volume drop, followed by volume increase, followed by drop at regular intervals.
it seems like every tremolo I try has this problem.
Go figure............................
I just got that half a page later...
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:47 am
by sevenSHARPnine
futuresailors wrote:I just got that half a page later...
better late than NEVAR
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:55 am
by veteransdaypoppy
bigchiefbc wrote:I'm sure a lot of you know this already, but I'll say it anyways. Most people think they perceive a volume drop when using tremolo. This is because tremolos are at unity volume at the top of their cycle, and at less than unity for the rest of the cycle. That means that on average, the volume of the signal is lower than unity. But it does not mean that the pedal is causing a volume drop; its just a trick of the ear based on our perception. Many boutique tremolos overcome this perception by boosting the signal afterwards, to bring the average volume level back up to unity (which means the peaks are actually boosted higher than unity).
That makes sense, and that's what I'd figured, but.. regardless if there's an actual volume drop or if the pedal is perceived as quieter to the player, an audience still would hear it as being quieter, no?
Honestly, I thought the Stereo Pulsar was a pretty fantastic tremolo pedal. It can do really, really crazy things. I just don't use it live 'cuz I'm a lead guitar player and I need that tiny bit of gain/volume boost that the tremolessence gives me. That, and most of the time I play live, I'm tap dancing on my stompboxes.
Now that I know that, I always buy effects that have their own volume control.
Hope I didn't come off like a douche. I really didn't mean to.
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:56 am
by veteransdaypoppy
theavondon wrote:I used one once, and it seemed like there was volume drop, followed by volume increase, followed by drop at regular intervals.
just buy a fuzzbox!
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:03 am
by sevenSHARPnine
no douchebaggery was perceived
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:45 am
by bigchiefbc
veteransdaypoppy wrote:bigchiefbc wrote:I'm sure a lot of you know this already, but I'll say it anyways. Most people think they perceive a volume drop when using tremolo. This is because tremolos are at unity volume at the top of their cycle, and at less than unity for the rest of the cycle. That means that on average, the volume of the signal is lower than unity. But it does not mean that the pedal is causing a volume drop; its just a trick of the ear based on our perception. Many boutique tremolos overcome this perception by boosting the signal afterwards, to bring the average volume level back up to unity (which means the peaks are actually boosted higher than unity).
That makes sense, and that's what I'd figured, but.. regardless if there's an actual volume drop or if the pedal is perceived as quieter to the player, an audience still would hear it as being quieter, no?
Honestly, I thought the Stereo Pulsar was a pretty fantastic tremolo pedal. It can do really, really crazy things. I just don't use it live 'cuz I'm a lead guitar player and I need that tiny bit of gain/volume boost that the tremolessence gives me. That, and most of the time I play live, I'm tap dancing on my stompboxes.
Now that I know that, I always buy effects that have their own volume control.
Hope I didn't come off like a douche. I really didn't mean to.
Yeah, everyone will perceive it as a volume drop, because its the way our ears work. And like I said, this is widespread enough that most boutique trems DO include a boost to fix that issue. I just wanted to make sure you understood that it wasn't an issue with that particular trem, but with trems in general. No douche-ness I could see, its cool
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:14 am
by floating opera
honestly. i think i lot of ppl just get off saying suchandsuchapedal either sucks tone or has a volume drop.
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:08 pm
by ateah
you guys are so nice to each other.
Re: EH STEREO PULSAR: Your thoughts?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:14 pm
by Jero
ateah wrote:you guys are so nice to each other.
go to hell
just kidding