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H18 wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote:My hatred of muddiness is not so much about my clean or dirty tone, it's that it makes it hard to hear my fx, especially modulation. Without the clarity that a tweeter gives you, it's really hard to even hear that I have a phaser/flanger/chorus/filter on at all.

What, really? Sounds like your speakers or amp are letting you down, not any lack of tweetage. I can get leather-shearing treble violence out of my rig sans tuite.

It's quite likely that is the issue. I've always played cheap cabs, although my Avatar 212 is supposed to have the new-fangled awesome Neo drivers, and it still sounds like mud with the tweeter off, no matter which amp head I play through.

bigchiefbc wrote:

H18 wrote:

bigchiefbc wrote:My hatred of muddiness is not so much about my clean or dirty tone, it's that it makes it hard to hear my fx, especially modulation. Without the clarity that a tweeter gives you, it's really hard to even hear that I have a phaser/flanger/chorus/filter on at all.

What, really? Sounds like your speakers or amp are letting you down, not any lack of tweetage. I can get leather-shearing treble violence out of my rig sans tuite.

It's quite likely that is the issue. I've always played cheap cabs, although my Avatar 212 is supposed to have the new-fangled awesome Neo drivers, and it still sounds like mud with the tweeter off, no matter which amp head I play through.

Man, Avatar used to load their shit with the ballsiest speaks. I had their 4x10 before they put Neos in, it was rated at 2000 motherfucking watts! I blew one speaker out so I sawed the cab in half and made it a 2x10, still a 1000 watt basstard. The spare 3rd speaker is rehoused in a gutted SWR 1x10 combo cab. Yeah that's a 500 watt 1x10 extension cab. BACKDAFUCKUP

You tweeter haters that still want more high end content need to check out something like the Baer cabs or a Fearful type. Speakers that pair a well matched midrange driver with the main woofer. You get really good treble extension, but it rolls off the most piercing treble and the rest of the treble sounds more natural.

My cab is single 15" with no extra driver, but I find the treble response rolls off about exactly where I like it to. I can still hear my harmonics great and my modulation still shines.

SmallEQ wrote:You tweeter haters that still want more high end content need to check out something like the Baer cabs or a Fearful type. Speakers that pair a well matched midrange driver with the main woofer. You get really good treble extension, but it rolls off the most piercing treble and the rest of the treble sounds more natural.

My cab is single 15" with no extra driver, but I find the treble response rolls off about exactly where I like it to. I can still hear my harmonics great and my modulation still shines.

I'd love to, but both Baer and Fearful are way, way out of my price range. The only reason I was able to get my Rick is because I randomly had a couple grand fall in my lap. That's not happening again anytime soon.

Here's me demoing a MicroKorg into my fEARful 15/6/1. I turn the tweeter off an on. I really don't know how people live without tweeters. That's like drinking a root beer float minus the ice cream.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/msusousaphone/microkorg[/soundcloud]

MSUsousaphone wrote:Here's me demoing a MicroKorg into my fEARful 15/6/1. I turn the tweeter off an on. I really don't know how people live without tweeters. That's like drinking a root beer float minus the ice cream.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/#msusousaphone/microkorg[/soundcloud]

I think you forgot to make that track public, it says it's unavailable.

So....I'm seeing mobius pedals on boards but not hearing any sort of drool inducing stories about setting that section of the board in stone

How are they?

MSUsousaphone wrote:Here's me demoing a MicroKorg into my fEARful 15/6/1. I turn the tweeter off an on. I really don't know how people live without tweeters. That's like drinking a root beer float minus the ice cream.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/#msusousaphone/microkorg[/soundcloud]

1: it says "This track is currently not available."

2: A synth is a whole different story. If you're amplifying a full-range instrument, sure you are going to want at least a 2-way if not 3-way speaker system. Vocals, keyboards, sure. It's not fair (you awful awful man!) to compare that situation with proper bass amping.

H18 wrote:

MSUsousaphone wrote:Here's me demoing a MicroKorg into my fEARful 15/6/1. I turn the tweeter off an on. I really don't know how people live without tweeters. That's like drinking a root beer float minus the ice cream.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/#msusousaphone/microkorg[/soundcloud]

1: it says "This track is currently not available."

2: A synth is a whole different story. If you're amplifying a full-range instrument, sure you are going to want at least a 2-way if not 3-way speaker system. Vocals, keyboards, sure. It's not fair (you awful awful man!) to compare that situation with proper bass amping.

Maybe it's just me, but between all the fuzz, filters, modulation and shit that I run my signal through, I consider it a full-range instrument by the time it comes out of my amp head.

Yeah. I have no clue what's up with that. I've shared that like twice here and three time on TB and it's always worked fine. It's set to public. Maybe an issue with Soundcloud.

Anyways, it's not different at all. And if your effects are totally different from that than you're not using the same effects me and BCBC are. I totally agree with him. If you're using a ton of mods or something, anything that gets into those upper freqs, you lose a lot without the tweeter. The IE Polytope's shimmery stuff. Timeline's ICE stuff. You lose a lot. If you're just going to go crank out some King's of Leon, you're probably golden without the tweeter. But people on ILF are doing some crazy things with their basses and pedals. It totally gets into the upper freqs.

Tendollarcat wrote:So....I'm seeing mobius pedals on boards but not hearing any sort of drool inducing stories about setting that section of the board in stone

How are they?

Personally, I'm totally sold on the Mobius for my modulation. It pretty much sounds fantastic on every mode I've tried. And I've really only played with the "normal" modulations sounds so far. I haven't even really gotten into the destroyer and quadrature modes yet.

I've sold off all of my other modulation pedals except for my Electric Mistress, only because I haven't figured out how to make the Mobius do two specific sounds I get out of the Mistress for a couple of my songs. I'm sure the Mobius can do it, I just haven't dialed it in exactly identical yet.

MSUsousaphone wrote:If you're just going to go crank out some King's of Leon

I only have a vague idea of what that would entail, but it sounds like a terrible idea.

It.....makes.....the crowd happy.

As for the Mobius. It's pure gold. The best word for it is SOLID. It's solid on everything. Will replace a lot. But it doesn't do all the sexy stuff like ICE on the Timeline so it doesn't get a lot of press. But it will replace most things mod.

Fuuuuuuuuck. I was worried you guys would tell me that.

The only real modulation I use (and I'm possibly off the mark about modulation types) is a sort of octave up and attack controlled sound or three on a Pog 2. Beyond that, I just use a shitload of echo and delay, mixed with dirt.

Is there decent octave up functionality on the mobius or timeline?

Tendollarcat wrote:So....I'm seeing mobius pedals on boards but not hearing any sort of drool inducing stories about setting that section of the board in stone

How are they?

i like mines. it would be better if it was designed as a M9 killer and was stackable with access to a bunch of patches at once. i think the Trems, Crusher and AM/FM Mod is where it shines. definitely worth the space. and i've already used it in a song.

's GOOD.