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magnus02 wrote:I find this all very fascinating... and both sides have serious issues (don't we all???)...

First off, Billy blows her off a little bit about her pedals not all being perfect for him but he's still getting her to build him one and he never really says he won't use the new one live/on an album.
It seems like she took this like a 2 year old (maybe i would too?) and got a little pissy and had an issue from the get go that had nothing to do with personal insults, simply a picky ass guitarist telling it like it is, from his opinion. I can't blame Billy for anything here...

Next, Billy agrees to be interviewed by some religious guy (Monte) on a regular basis and answer questions yada yada yada... This causes a HUGE commotion on a Pumpkins board because Monte doesn't support gay marriage and is in fact against it. Devi jumps in and slanders the hell out of Billy for supporting this guy by doing interviews with him. The general vibe there is that anyone who isn't 100% for gay marriage should burn in hell and is ruining every gay person's life.
still seems like Billy did no wrong. he has opinions, which apparently include not supporting gay marriage and that is perfectly fine. I am fine with gay marriage personally. I'm not a die hard advocate, but i see no harm. it's important to remember, however, that while it's great to be passionate about your beliefs you can't ever expect to force your views upon others. if there's one golden rule of humanity, it should be that you can't hate someone because they have a different viewpoint than you. IT'S HEALTHY!!! as long as we act like humans and adults and realize that people grow up with different experiences, influences, etc. then we should be able to accept the fact that they won't think like us. as long as someone isn't directly causing harm/pain on someone then it's ok. that's why we have a democracy, laws,courts etc to determine if someone's doing that. if you can't handle the fact that some people don't always agree with you, move to a dictatorship where the dictator shares every view you do. you clearly don't want to live in a free and democratic society.

Then Billy reads this post form devi who, for all we know, is someone he is still excited to be working with but he's opinionated and offended her a little and maybe he's too busy to email here and he loses it. Posts crazy shit on his twitter account, sends threatening emails etc...
this is obviously where i start to disagree with Billy haha... even assuming the best case scenario, that he loves the pedal he made her and thinks a lot of her work, it is still no excuse to respond that way to her dissing you. i support IN NO WAY the comments he made and find them despicable. he clearly is borderling insane and in the past has proven this. however, she did say some offensive ass shit that i find somewhat equally ignorant and uncalled for. when has trying to force your views on anyone in history ended well? i'm talking when neither side was physically or mentally seriously harming the other at first...


Anyways, i think they're both acting like 2 year olds but in all fairness... in the playground mentality we have at times... devi started it. she slandered the guy for having an opinion that he has every right to have. i agree for taking a stance in what you believe in but she went far beyond that. she went straight to personal attacks that at times had nothing to do with the issue at hand and she has continued to do so.

that's my rant...

pretty sure i know what's coming next...

fiddelerselbow wrote:

magnus02 wrote:I find this all very fascinating... and both sides have serious issues (don't we all???)...

First off, Billy blows her off a little bit about her pedals not all being perfect for him but he's still getting her to build him one and he never really says he won't use the new one live/on an album.
It seems like she took this like a 2 year old (maybe i would too?) and got a little pissy and had an issue from the get go that had nothing to do with personal insults, simply a picky ass guitarist telling it like it is, from his opinion. I can't blame Billy for anything here...

Next, Billy agrees to be interviewed by some religious guy (Monte) on a regular basis and answer questions yada yada yada... This causes a HUGE commotion on a Pumpkins board because Monte doesn't support gay marriage and is in fact against it. Devi jumps in and slanders the hell out of Billy for supporting this guy by doing interviews with him. The general vibe there is that anyone who isn't 100% for gay marriage should burn in hell and is ruining every gay person's life.
still seems like Billy did no wrong. he has opinions, which apparently include not supporting gay marriage and that is perfectly fine. I am fine with gay marriage personally. I'm not a die hard advocate, but i see no harm. it's important to remember, however, that while it's great to be passionate about your beliefs you can't ever expect to force your views upon others. if there's one golden rule of humanity, it should be that you can't hate someone because they have a different viewpoint than you. IT'S HEALTHY!!! as long as we act like humans and adults and realize that people grow up with different experiences, influences, etc. then we should be able to accept the fact that they won't think like us. as long as someone isn't directly causing harm/pain on someone then it's ok. that's why we have a democracy, laws,courts etc to determine if someone's doing that. if you can't handle the fact that some people don't always agree with you, move to a dictatorship where the dictator shares every view you do. you clearly don't want to live in a free and democratic society.

Then Billy reads this post form devi who, for all we know, is someone he is still excited to be working with but he's opinionated and offended her a little and maybe he's too busy to email here and he loses it. Posts crazy shit on his twitter account, sends threatening emails etc...
this is obviously where i start to disagree with Billy haha... even assuming the best case scenario, that he loves the pedal he made her and thinks a lot of her work, it is still no excuse to respond that way to her dissing you. i support IN NO WAY the comments he made and find them despicable. he clearly is borderling insane and in the past has proven this. however, she did say some offensive ass shit that i find somewhat equally ignorant and uncalled for. when has trying to force your views on anyone in history ended well? i'm talking when neither side was physically or mentally seriously harming the other at first...


Anyways, i think they're both acting like 2 year olds but in all fairness... in the playground mentality we have at times... devi started it. she slandered the guy for having an opinion that he has every right to have. i agree for taking a stance in what you believe in but she went far beyond that. she went straight to personal attacks that at times had nothing to do with the issue at hand and she has continued to do so.

that's my rant...

pretty sure i know what's coming next...

This post is on the money.

plhogan wrote:Better than a normal bigot.

dubkitty wrote:and i'm sorry, but as much as i've always despised Billy Corgan, if Devi did in fact say the stuff about Billy getting fucked by Trent Reznor, then that pretty well removed any obligation Billy had to be civil to Devi in any way. shit flies in both directions.

Gearmond wrote:theres a point where its ok to have an opinion, and theres a point where you're just fucking wrong. i'm standing firm on the fact that discriminating about sexuality is one of those stances where if you say "its just my opinion" you deserved to be punched in the scrote.

plhogan wrote:

Gearmond wrote:theres a point where its ok to have an opinion, and theres a point where you're just fucking wrong. i'm standing firm on the fact that discriminating about sexuality is one of those stances where if you say "its just my opinion" you deserved to be punched in the scrote.

No man that makes you a "PC Bigot" and part of the war on christmas and reverse-discrimination.

Gearmond wrote:

plhogan wrote:

Gearmond wrote:theres a point where its ok to have an opinion, and theres a point where you're just fucking wrong. i'm standing firm on the fact that discriminating about sexuality is one of those stances where if you say "its just my opinion" you deserved to be punched in the scrote.

No man that makes you a "PC Bigot" and part of the war on christmas and reverse-discrimination.

discrimination against discrimination is something i'd argue to be morally in the right.

i'm sure none of you like/truly tolerate nazis.

promoting "absolute tolerance" is just a tool that people who ARE bigots use to falsely call out people who try to be tolerant, when intolerance of intolerance happens, you attempt to eradicate intolerance, therefore more tolerance.


they have the right to say gay marriage is gay, and i will exercise my right to call them a backwards sexist fuckwad with the mentality of an 80 year old baptist preacher who hates the world almost as much as himself and should logically have no real gravity to his own opinion, let alone actually have it in the first place, because times change and in this instance the past should be left to rot and die.

Jero wrote:

theactionindex wrote:

blooghost wrote:Can I still knock Billy's teeth down his throat in a sundress?

We should launch a Kickstarter project for the plane ticket fund to accomplish this.

Yes please.