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nogodsnobedtimes wrote:

dubkitty wrote:words

Agreed.

Tom Petty is a generic Elvis Costello ripoff.

On the note, Elvis Costello is the only Elvis that matters.

Better cameo in an actor's increasingly-less-well-received passion project:

Elvis Costello in Austin Powers 2 (or was it one?)
Tom Petty in The Postman

Tom Petty hands down, every time.

Both had some good songs that are fun on the radio every now and again. Both have some boring moments too.

Elvis Costello never had a song half as good as "Suspicious Minds" though.

lordgalvar wrote:
Sex Pistols > Smith's
PiL > Morrissey

Morrissey is an awful person but I can't remotely agree with this. Pil is more arguable but the smiths are infinitely better than the sex pistols.


And Elvis Costello has a lot of completely wonderful music. Some crap too, but a lot of gold.

Spurred by conversation on ILF discord:

7 strings are superior to tuning a 6 string down to B etc.

I'm quite curious about trying a 7 string. Does anyone make one that doesn't look awful (i.e. shreddy superstrat or pointy)?

There are a few that aren't super pointy, but whether or not they look awful is up to you

e.g.

that Epiphone is actually pretty sharp, though i probably wouldn't play it well due to my mandolin-player-sized hands.

you can make a pretty long list of retro influences on UK punk. in addition to the ones already mentioned, you can go right back to Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. proto-glam provocateurs like the Pink Fairies should also be acknowledged, as well as the free-festival-riots-associated Gong spinoff Here and Now who were more-or-less contemporaneous to 1st-wave UK punk. but i think the key difference is the love in the UK underground for Hawkwind (who Lydon adored) and Can, who can be heard in most influential Manchester bands pre-Happy Mondays. the only American 1st wave band i can think of that cleaves unto Can is Pere Ubu.

i prefer the Pistols to the Smiths, but love both. if i had to choose, it would be Moz who was killed and eaten in the lifeboat just so i wouldn't have listen to him talk. and i think Graham Parker was the real Elvis Costello, while Dec was a poseur who'd written "New Lace Sleeves" when he was 18 and deliberately moved to a saleable punk-esque presentation cos he knew his actual work wasn't suited to the market in 1977.

Can't say those guitars do much for me.

I'm curious how Costello and the attractions had a punk aesthetic. And he's done a whole variety of different styles over his career. I think he's just a person who's interested in more than one thing. What a poser!

Just gonna leave these here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKS8gmXGCT4[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKS8gmXGCT4

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Ev4kebjq0[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Ev4kebjq0

coldbrightsunlight wrote:Can't say those guitars do much for me.

I'm curious how Costello and the attractions had a punk aesthetic. And he's done a whole variety of different styles over his career. I think he's just a person who's interested in more than one thing. What a poser!

Timing. Record Label marketing. That one Stiff Records thing*.

Tom Petty had a similar path. And really less involvement. Just timing and record execs looking for an angle.

I read an excerpt of a book of RI transcriptions or conversations about how they changed punk to new wave (last year sometime...should've bookmarked the PDF). They were interchangable in marketing eyes in the early years. If one name didn't work, they flipped "genres". I think Elvis Costello kind of never explicitly says he's punk but he is always willing to talk about being there to try to lend himself some street cred.

Like Henry Rollins, he's always up for some talking in front of a camera about punk. Which is cool, 'cause he was around...time-wise.

I like Elvis Costello. I listened to that first album a lot (including the less cool honky tonk demos). He just gets lumped in because of his era and somewhat minimalist style (compared to the rock of the day). Kind of like Devo*. My wife can't stand songs like "Allison" or that detectives song...but I give em a play for somethin' lighter once in a while. Still, he never had a song as good as "Suspicious Minds".

Some of it was of the mindset, "if it ain't Rod Stewart, it must be punk" type of thinking. It's like the 1990s (and to this day) "alternative" rock genre. "Alternative" to what? How are Nirvana, Soul Asylum, Dave Mathews (yes, he was alternative for a minute marketing wise), Three Doors Down, and Vampire Weekend connected? Is the litmus test still "They ain't the crüe or Bon Jovi, they must be alternative!"? It's just counter marketing off what the record companies can make listeners believe is the new thing and in opposition to what their parents like (or what the normies like).

But, damn, if we ain't back making rod Stewart records for "alternative" radio with disco EDM getting somewhat "indie" singers to bring the street cred. Aloe Black is a good guy and has some good jams (he really helped with some indie music fest down here and played free to help the community), but that jam with avichi was garbage...but it was on "alternative" radio.

Tangent! Rambling! Exciting!

Punk was a bit of a marketing ploy with some sincere roots. The record companies just pulled out when the money wasn't there (for a while...they come back every now and again. Tim Armstrong won't stop until everyone sings like they drank whiskey and has 2 packs of lucky strikes for breakfast). It took on its own life and kind of changed, splintered, specialized, spread, blah blah blah.

*Speaking of Devo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFP0EP-Oi2I[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFP0EP-Oi2I

Haha, I know Elvis didn't write nothin'. It's a good song no matter what.

I kinda like Elvis melodrama, maudlin, singing on it though.

Mostly I just like that song.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpW0DQN8eGs[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpW0DQN8eGs

Fine, you win Chankgeez

It is a good song and I'm not really an Elvis Presley fan, but it's probably the best thing he ever did.

To bring it all back home, The Defects cover led me to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0OMWF3wH6I[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0OMWF3wH6I

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