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kbit wrote:Actane sent me a snap at 3:30am of him pushing a shopping cart accross a parking lot with his car


Learning to keep independent rhythms which each limb is challenging as fuck, but it feel so good to make progress. Anyone have any mental tips for seperating limbs for dumming?

Try taking your limb out of the game. Like, continue to play whatever ostinato pattern, but hit your leg, or a pillow...something silent. Or just stomp your foot in the case of kick patterns. Then you hear the interaction between remaining sounds clearly, and can change them more gradually.

Basically, you keep the muscle memory, but the physical output doesn't match what you hear/perceive. You very quickly forget about the silent limb, and you can focus on other stuff. Then you can drop it back in for max effect. It's a lot like muting a channel on a drum machine.

Invisible Man wrote:

kbit wrote:
Learning to keep independent rhythms which each limb is challenging as fuck, but it feel so good to make progress. Anyone have any mental tips for seperating limbs for dumming?

Try taking your limb out of the game. Like, continue to play whatever ostinato pattern, but hit your leg, or a pillow...something silent. Or just stomp your foot in the case of kick patterns. Then you hear the interaction between remaining sounds clearly, and can change them more gradually.

Basically, you keep the muscle memory, but the physical output doesn't match what you hear/perceive. You very quickly forget about the silent limb, and you can focus on other stuff. Then you can drop it back in for max effect. It's a lot like muting a channel on a drum machine.

That sounds very effective, thank you for that.

Achtane wrote:PREDICTIVE TEXT SHORT STORIES

I think it's mostly just a short-term deal, by the time she was standing in the corner of my room WE WERE DOING ANYTHING TO SAY I LOVE YOU MORE THAN anything else in my head and it's not really about this bullshit around here but it has to happen if you don't need me in the way of your life with chemicals.

These days ago by the end of the week but right now I'm going on with you to do it with a couple people who want the same time. Chappelle's show got a little more than one year from the Craigslist ad before it was the last time you want me. I honestly think of a sudden death of passengers and their parents. They were super cute.

^ Very solid advice. Been wanting to take a crack at drumming so stuff like that is super helpful.

Speaking of drums, are there any cheap but not crap options for drums for a beginner?

Yes. Many. The bottom dropped out of that market probably seven or eight years ago, and things are wickedly cheap, and of a surprising quality.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-percussion/yamaha-gigmaker-5-piece-shell-pack-w-20-bass-drum
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-percussion/gretsch-drums-catalina-club-3-piece-shell-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-percussion/yamaha-stage-custom-birch-5-piece-shell-pack-with-20-inch-bass-drum/j07120
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-percussion/sonor-bop-4-piece-shell-pack/h99498

I've played all of these, and owned the Gretsch kit. Right now, I have the Sonor Bop kit, and its sounds killer.

There's probably a bit of a bias against smaller kick drums at a place like ILF, but these kits all have a great build quality, and they record really well. I used to have a kit with a 28" kick I converted from an old marching band bass drum, and it sounded great miked up small venues...but it was impossible to record. Smaller drums are excellent for recording--kinda like how it doesn't always work to lug a Marshall stack into a studio...little tube amps tend to sound as good or better. The analogy holds up with drums.

Some tips if you're looking:

Gretsch, Yamaha, Sonor, Ludwig, Mapex, Premier. They all make great inexpensive lines. Pearl, Tama, DW, OC, even Pacific (or PDP as they're called now, I think) all build good drums, but you've gotta pay to get the good stuff--a cheap Pearl kit is unremarkable in every way (their Export series, for example), so I would avoid. The used market doesn't offer a whole lot in the way of savings. There are always a shit-ton of terrible kits on CL, and rarely anything worth looking at. Lots of beginners just buy a million drums and cymbals because they're in love with looking cool and hitting a ton of shit, even if that shit sounds like...shit.

Hardware is easy. I wouldn't shell out (rim shot) for anything but a quality hi-hat stand and kick pedal, as they're the only things you actually interface with. The rest of the stuff literally just supports objects...I think you can get $20 boom stands that will last forever.

Cymbals are an adventure not unlike pedals, except every single one is tonally different than others of the same make and model. So hang onto good ones when you can get 'em. Those starter packs are not a bad way to go, but most people move on from them pretty quickly. All of the makers have quality stuff; Zildjian, Sabian and Paiste (Pie-stee) are all great. I'd look used for these...just make sure they don't have keyholing (irregular shapes around the center hole--should be perfectly round) or pressure cracks anywhere. Obviously, hi-hats, crash, and ride are essential, but you can always add stuff later on.

At one point in my life, I'm gonna have a drumkit. I'm real bad at keeping rhythm, but I think I mostly wanna smash things

Hard to overstate how therapeutic it is. Culturally sanctioned violence that is productive and creative. Learning to play is one of the best decisions I've made, and has been super fun/rewarding.

Also, it gets a lot easier to influence the music you're making with others. Guitars can form the character of a band (or maybe 'style'), but drums make it awesome. It is impossible to be a great band if you have a bad drummer...and you are ALWAYS in demand. At one point, I was in four bands. People would hang around to listen to me jam or practice in my apartment, then knock on the door when I stopped to ask me to play with them. Not a brag, just a statement of how hard it is to find someone competent. And it's nice to cultivate a method of your own...be recognizable, and have a sound, and people will flip the fuck out over it.

Just remembering the homeless guy I started a band with. He threw his water bottle at my window until I noticed, stopped playing, and talked with him. Didn't occur to me that he was homeless until he asked me to keep his stuff at my place for 'safekeeping.'

Those shows were pretty gnarly.

I came here to say one more thing I forgot in the earlier post to BP...but forgot as I typed all this out.

All good. Thanks tho im gonna check out kits and start saving!

Interviewed a translator that doesn't actually speak English.

At one point I asked "Why did you apply for these job"
She just smiled and shook her head.


Probably not a good fit.

hbombgraphics wrote:Interviewed a translator that doesn't actually speak English.

At one point I asked "Why did you apply for these job"
She just smiled and shook her head.


Probably not a good fit.

But that's I reply to every question. Are you saying I didn't pass the audition?

chuckjaywalk wrote:

hbombgraphics wrote:Interviewed a translator that doesn't actually speak English.

At one point I asked "Why did you apply for these job"
She just smiled and shook her head.


Probably not a good fit.

But that's I reply to every question. Are you saying I didn't pass the audition?

Oh you passed!



and I did say it in the grammatically incorrect way quoted above but only because that's what she kept saying to me and I didn't think she knew the word "this"

Watched Room last night, it's really good.

Sounds like a Tuesday.

Invisible Man wrote:Also, it gets a lot easier to influence the music you're making with others. Guitars can form the character of a band (or maybe 'style'), but drums make it awesome. It is impossible to be a great band if you have a bad drummer...and you are ALWAYS in demand.

This is pretty fucking true.

It's hard to describe, but the sort of energy and groove you bring to drumming can make all the difference in the world.

I've picked up drums slowly over the years, they're my favorite instrument, I agree with you that a bad drummer will ruin any good band, and make any bad one. they're the most expressive instrument in my opinion, and you can alter the feel of a song or phrase much easier than the other instruments