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Chankgeez wrote:

dubkitty wrote:Miles Davis' 70s electric music is boring, formless to an absolute fault, and preposterously overrated. 80% of Bitches Brew consists of electric piano noodling aimlessly over a static funk beat. phone me up when something happens other than 1 minute 30 of Miles blowing.

But Bitches Brew was recorded in 1969.

It's responsible for ALL that bad 70's fusion so

Yes, there's no doubt about that, but Miles himself is above fault.

Chankgeez wrote:Yes, there's no doubt about that, but Miles himself is above fault.

NO, it's his fault, some times you have to own a thing, and he owns fusion being a thing. They could have copied Zappa, he could have copied Zappa, but sadly, history is what it is.

Miles don't give a shit…

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHhu4FQ2OvY[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHhu4FQ2OvY

Yeah, Miles just sez "All you non-playin' motherfuckers get off the stage."

I'll take 70's Davis over the prog-in-a-dashiki weedily widdily fusion shit of the 80s.

Zappa only had one good fusion album, a handful of good songs and a whole lot of promising songs ruined by unfunny monologues over plodding basslines.

Acid and fusion are both abominations and should never have seen the light of day.

Bassist_Diver wrote:Acid and fusion are both abominations and should never have seen the light of day.

Pretty much agreed when speaking about late fusion.

i cannot deal with fusion at all. ironically, Zappa had the best take on it in a piece for Guitar Player, where he decried the fusioneers' tendency to emit "clouds and clouds of educated little gnat-notes." god, i miss that man...i so wish he was here to comment on the era of Trump. i do agree to some extent with the criticism, though...i can only really listen to the early records, the mostly-instrumental stuff (e.g. Chunga's Revenge), Roxy and Elsewhere, and The Yellow Shark. the "comedy" a la Fillmore or "Punky's Whips" is unbearable to me. Stephen Stills had an interesting early take on Frank, also in Guitar Player amusingly enough, where he said (paraphrased) "i've had the privilege to hear those tracks as instrumentals, and why he insists on ruining them with those vocals i'll never understand." that's my greatest objection to the "comedy"...e.g."Punky's Whips" is a beautiful piece and arrangement, but the vox totally destroys it.

i actually quite like some of Miles' post-comeback stuff. this here is my favorite:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjBUNyFKkJI[/youtube]

There are definitely too many otherwise great Zappa songs ruined with stupid lyrics.

coldbrightsunlight wrote:There are definitely too many otherwise great Zappa songs ruined with stupid lyrics.

Yes.
And this could be applied to a shit ton of music, that's why I appreciate instrumental stuff so much. Bad singing/bad lyrics can ruin a good song in 2 seconds.

there are a number of bands i've wished would sing in Japanese, Tagalog, Hindi, or Icelandic so i wouldn't understand a word of what they were saying.

Dowi wrote:

coldbrightsunlight wrote:There are definitely too many otherwise great Zappa songs ruined with stupid lyrics.

Yes.
And this could be applied to a shit ton of music, that's why I appreciate instrumental stuff so much. Bad singing/bad lyrics can ruin a good song in 2 seconds.

So much this.

i could cite so many examples. And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead instantly spring to mind.

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