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jrfox92 wrote: You're not Eastern European, are you jiro?

Nor am I a Cherokee, nor am I Congolese, nor am I Bengali. Yet you'd never suggest the Belgian flag is comparable to the Nazis, would you?

You would if you're French.


(This is a joke).

jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote: You're not Eastern European, are you jiro?

Nor am I a Cherokee, nor am I Congolese, nor am I Bengali. Yet you'd never suggest the Belgian flag is comparable to the Nazis, would you?

That....what? I guess not? Are you trying to say "well, the communists weren't actually that bad because Nazis and America and Belgium"?

jrfox92 wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote: You're not Eastern European, are you jiro?

Nor am I a Cherokee, nor am I Congolese, nor am I Bengali. Yet you'd never suggest the Belgian flag is comparable to the Nazis, would you?

That....what? I guess not? Are you trying to say "well, the communists weren't actually that bad because Nazis and America and Belgium"?

No, I'm saying that the use of Soviet iconography isn't actually comparable to the use of Nazi iconography or specific references to, say, Imperial Japanese war crimes. Explained exactly why several posts back.

Call me when there's a Holodomor voltage starve pedal.

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jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote: You're not Eastern European, are you jiro?

Nor am I a Cherokee, nor am I Congolese, nor am I Bengali. Yet you'd never suggest the Belgian flag is comparable to the Nazis, would you?

That....what? I guess not? Are you trying to say "well, the communists weren't actually that bad because Nazis and America and Belgium"?

No, I'm saying that the use of Soviet iconography isn't actually comparable to the use of Nazi iconography or specific references to, say, Imperial Japanese war crimes. Explained exactly why several posts back.

Call me when there's a Holodomor voltage starve pedal.

And yet two things can be different degrees of not great and both of them still not great. But again, was never saying "don't make pedals or other products and media referencing the Soviet Union ever". It's comparable in the sense that this is a deeply offensive thing to a lot of people. Doesn't mean it's the name number of people or it's equally universal. There is a bunch of nuance in everything, people make all sorts of videogames and books and movies with Nazis in them. Where precisely is the line drawn of stuff you totally can't do?

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coldbrightsunlight wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote:

jrfox92 wrote: You're not Eastern European, are you jiro?

Nor am I a Cherokee, nor am I Congolese, nor am I Bengali. Yet you'd never suggest the Belgian flag is comparable to the Nazis, would you?

That....what? I guess not? Are you trying to say "well, the communists weren't actually that bad because Nazis and America and Belgium"?

No, I'm saying that the use of Soviet iconography isn't actually comparable to the use of Nazi iconography or specific references to, say, Imperial Japanese war crimes. Explained exactly why several posts back.

Call me when there's a Holodomor voltage starve pedal.

And yet two things can be different degrees of not great and both of them still not great. But again, was never saying "don't make pedals or other products and media referencing the Soviet Union ever". It's comparable in the sense that this is a deeply offensive thing to a lot of people. Doesn't mean it's the name number of people or it's equally universal. There is a bunch of nuance in everything, people make all sorts of videogames and books and movies with Nazis in them. Where precisely is the line drawn of stuff you totally can't do?

Anyway the fact that I've been involved in this discussion through reading and typing on my tiny phone over a period of several days means I've kind of forgotten where we started etc. I imagine there is less fundamental disagreement here than the forum format is making it feel like

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coldbrightsunlight wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote: And yet two things can be different degrees of not great and both of them still not great. But again, was never saying "don't make pedals or other products and media referencing the Soviet Union ever".

You drew an explicit parallel between the Raptio/Nazi iconography on pedals/etc. with Soviet iconography - and your reasoning was basically the Stalin crime list.

That was the fundamental point - the history of the USSR was much longer and more varied than just the Stalinist era. Just like the history of Belgium, the UK and the US (all of whom committed genocides of their own).

You can't divorce Nazi iconography or references to specific crimes of Imperial Japan from their horrors - they were rather single-minded for the entirety of their existence. This just isn't true of the US, UK... or the USSR

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jirodreamsofdank wrote:

coldbrightsunlight wrote:

jirodreamsofdank wrote: And yet two things can be different degrees of not great and both of them still not great. But again, was never saying "don't make pedals or other products and media referencing the Soviet Union ever".

You drew an explicit parallel between the Raptio/Nazi iconography on pedals/etc. with Soviet iconography - and your reasoning was basically the Stalin crime list.

That was the fundamental point - the history of the USSR was much longer and more varied than just the Stalinist era. Just like the history of Belgium, the UK and the US (all of whom committed genocides of their own).

You can't divorce Nazi iconography or references to specific crimes of Imperial Japan from their horrors - they were rather single-minded for the entirety of their existence. This just isn't true of the US, UK... or the USSR

This is absolutely true in a general sense from the perspective of the outside Western world. However my point was that for some people from former Soviet countries this is absolutely not the case and these symbols very strongly represent the suffering of them and their families - not just under Stalin but right up to the end many people were oppressed. Again, not systematically murdered like the Nazis were doing so I'm not saying the two are "equal".

I think this is less true for atrocities in British or Belgian history because while the effects are still being felt not many people from then are still alive. I'm not arguing the two are entirely directly equivalent but was drawing the general parallel.

Also worth pointing out I was originally being flippant, NOT advocating an immediate end to all media using Soviet (or Khmer Rouge or etc etc) imagery. a pedal with swastikas on is fairly tasteless in the West, and even outside there it's worth thinking about before distributing things widely. This can similarly be true for other imagery, in some contexts. Discussions on the internet are hard

And on the basis that I was originally joking I'm not really sure why I kept arguing