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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:42 pm
by echorec
It looks like Black Cat's tribute to the Maestro may return soon.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:04 pm
by Eivind August
Nice!
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:56 pm
by Chankgeez
I like this dude's channel a lot:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2FWdEayDk[/youtube]
That ring mod may not be real enough for lordgalvar, but I still think it sounds pretty good.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:23 pm
by lordgalvar
Haha, I ain't that much of a purist... That is similar to a lot of them on the market. Sounds nice. I forgot about that dude though!
http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-fi ... od_140.pdf article from the 1970s

Sorry about the big picture....but a bode ring mod. And it looks like there was some kind of built in compression/limiting to create balance.
Hard to read schems of the bode ring mod
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2014/10/haro ... g.html?m=1More Harold Bode (just in case):
http://120years.net/the-melochordharald ... rmany1947/
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:29 pm
by Chankgeez
Yeah, Bode is awesome.

I still want a frequency shifter.
Skimmed that article, good find.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:35 pm
by lordgalvar
Heck yea! Didn't know about the symphonies*:
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3YBKQeQztg8[/youtube]
I like ring mod.

* I am from Bakersfield. We don't do "high art" haha.
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:14 pm
by Chankgeez
Sounds like he's using ring mod here, but you can never really be sure w/ Sun Ra:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7k7lmdM3w[/youtube]
Here too?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HG8HWpQuvs[/youtube]
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:36 pm
by lordgalvar
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URkens-9izw[/youtube]
Maybe?
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:48 pm
by Chankgeez
Yeah, Sun Ra liked a lot of "chime-y" keyboards.
He is listed as playing a Moog synth on that record though.

This one definitely sounds like ring mod (or something)

:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGy_PmY6Ny0[/youtube]
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:17 pm
by lordgalvar
1970...minimoog was out in some form. It had an input, but no ring mod (at least I don't think...
So, probably some form of FM using the dedicated percussionist. My first thought was something like a marimba...they probably mic'd it up and ran it through the synth. The second sound sounds like a chimey high octave oscillator, probably also FM'd.
That is what I think in the first track at least.
Second one is a bunch of different stuff. Sounds like every instrument was ran through something on a synth at some point. Studio stuff and layering.
Says on Wikipedia that Bob Moog gave him a proto minimoog...so I am guessing that a model b or c was what was used. C looks identical almost to the D (production). B looks like it might have added controls by the filter controls...but I doubt they are ring mod. The model A (long shot as the one used) looks like it may have a ring mod on the front panel...haven't found good photos yet.
But who knows? Haha
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:22 pm
by Chankgeez
Yeah, I'll stop posting Sun Ra stuff in this thread. Too difficult to tell what he was actually using.

Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:01 pm
by jrfox92
Since I haven't managed to read through the whole thread but I want to follow, I'll just add this.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw4puYO087w[/youtube]
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:41 pm
by lordgalvar
Chankgeez wrote:This one definitely sounds like ring mod (or something)

:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGy_PmY6Ny0[/youtube]
Sounds like FM maybe.
Minimoog FM:
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJjNTspPVc[/youtube]
Minimoog external input:
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uAhZUJXStn8[/youtube]
Granted, we do know Sun-Ra wasnot using the model D in 1970 and was using one of the prototypes.
More Sun-Ra maybe ring mod posts please! I'm going to get to the bottom of it...haha
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:52 pm
by Chankgeez

I'll post more Sun Ra. You don't have to twist my arm.
I just did a Google search for: Sun Ra Ring Modulator
and this came up as the second result:
https://books.google.com/books?id=5xW0K ... or&f=falsethis came up as the first because of a comment on the vid:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_nAmESsO0k[/youtube]
… and also, in honor of Clara Rockmore's birthday, here's this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTVGxIIRdrM[/youtube]
Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:34 pm
by crochambeau
As an aside, here are a couple of the strange finds that do modulation work in my studio. This A R Vetter stuff was purpose built as an analog tape solution to a paper chart recorder, since recording DC (or AC only over a period long enough to share the attributes of DC) signals is highly problematic on what amounts to audio tape, the incoming signal is modulated into a higher AC frequency that is printed to tape, then on playback it's demodulated and output as original. At least, that's the theory - I haven't fed it anything other than audio signals, which do come back full of carrier bleed. Doubly fun is sticking a normally recorded tape onto it and letting that rip, especially since the tape speed range is so huge.

I couldn't resist buying another of their units, this is like three poorly tuned lofi leaky ring mods running in parallel. It's truly primitive and honestly doesn't hold a candle to a well tuned audio ring mod, but it's not without it's charm, and DC pass through results in some mighty apparent low end smear.
