2020 Happenings! (BOSS Strikes Back)

[Inconuucl]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9zmAVwxDE[/youtube]

This is really cool!

[tremolo3]

Pretty sure Mood and Dark World were also collaborations (Drolo and Cooper/Keeley).

Did you read my entire post?

Yes, just reread it like 5 times to finally understand what you were saying, ie. mood and dark world are exceptions because they are not limited runs, not because they are not collaborations. Sorry for the misunderstanding... :/

Anyway... any news on that new Boss Waza FZ-2?

I'm glad you explained that because I was really confused

For what it’s worth, I picked that up the first read?

I hope that teaser’s a Boss Waza FZ-2.

Boss is hosting an "HM-2" event on Facebook, so not sure.

Also, when did the HM-2 reach the $200 on Reverb? And the Behringer DMM clone is now $300?

[Gone Fission]

There’s a FZ-2w hype thread on TGP with a pic on the first post, source not specified, with all the current Wazas stacked with a bit of the successive pedal peaking out. It looks like an FZ-2w in the back.

And a PN-2w in front of that.

[Pepe]

Well, with graphical software I can also build you a PSM-5w ...

[Gone Fission]

Yes. Almost certainly a fake, but such an alluring one.

[cosmicevan]

i didn't see anyone say that they can't make art without this pedal? but also, i think it is frustrating when collectors stop objects from being used for their intended purpose. kind of like when non-musician rich people buy steinway grand pianos as a living room decorations (even if they're the reason steinway can stay afloat, it still annoys me). but it's also partly frustrating that's because of the reputation it creates. the collectability of vintage guitars keeps getting crazier, and i can't help but think it reinforces the idea that people need something that's built exactly like a 60s les paul to make good music (when in reality you can stick a vaguelly-paf pickup in any block of wood, and it'll sound right with a bit of distortion).

I know you weren't directly attacking me, well maybe you were, but I didn't interpret it that way.

Out of curiosity, what is the intended purpose that you feel a collector is actually blocking? The only thing that resonates with logic is "hey you own that and I don't no fair." As a musician (well, depends on who you ask) just because I am a collector doesn't mean that I don't play the pedals I collect...and even if I liked the way that the pedal looked and bought them to keep them pristine in the package, so what? I don't do this, but if I did...why would that affect anyone but me?

I ask because I saw a LOT of comments like that when trying to explain why I was pissed that CBA put pressure on people like me (who genuinely want to try out their creations) to buy something on their terms because of the limited nature and zero action taken (like limiting it to 1 per person) to prevent scalping which is what really lead to the fast sell out - scalpers rushing for profits while fans rushed to not miss out. Like I said in other posts, and others have agreed with, a limited item means buy it now or pay stupid flipper prices.

I'm curious if to you, there is a set number of gigs you must have with the pedal being engaged or a certain number of hours at home with the pedal on that justifies it being okay to own something? I play music pretty much every night for at least an hour after I get my kids to sleep. I play out with other musicians in front of other people and just in jam rooms without audiences as well. Simply stated, I love experimental music and exploring sound...and as a result, I have a nice "collection" of pedals/tools that enable me to have my fun. Do you own any pedals that don't live on your active board? How is that any different than someone like me who has 50 pedals not on my board? How many guitars or other instruments do you own that don't get played all the time? I own 3 basses and 2 guitars, which by most musician standards is barely anything.

Your steinway example is kind of a good one to dig in on...so let's. The keyboard player from my college band is now a fairly successful doctor. His time for music is limited by his profession and his desire to be present with his family and friends...but he does still play and makes time here and there for music. When he was deep into playing music all the time, he couldn't afford the steinway or the vintage rhodes or wurlitzer...but now he has a "collection" of gorgeous classic instruments that he enjoys when he can. Sure, his grand piano is quite the show piece and prominently displayed within his home, almost as furniture, but it's still an instrument and he still knows how to play it...but if he didn't, why would that matter? He worked hard in life to get where he is and that's how he wants to spend his money. It doesn't hold anyone else back and if he owned a one-off piano...that wouldn't stop anyone else from making music in any other way. If it wasn't for people like my friend buying a steinway like instrument to be in their home, like you said...there would be no steinway and prices would be even crazier...and it would push a steinway even further from the casual musician.

Ultimately, at the end of the day...if you are a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless and if you aren't a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless. If we are in agreement that creativity comes from within and not an external thing like a pedal or the type of instrument, then what the heck are we even discussing about here? I was annoyed that I was sold a product based false advertising, as such I returned the product. Could have been a pedal, a sneaker, a pog...who cares. As for the Bliss Factory itself, TBH you can get just as crazy with a Your & You're or pick your fuzz and pick your filter.

[echorec]

if you aren't a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless. If we are in agreement that creativity comes from within and not an external thing like a pedal or the type of instrument, then what the heck are we even discussing about here?

I don't know about that. Plug anyone in the world into a chain of Particle 2s, and I think they'll sound pretty decent.

Fairly certain that YouTube tells us, that all creativity comes from the Akashic records. (so it's both internal & external)

[Woolworm]

There’s a FZ-2w hype thread on TGP with a pic on the first post, source not specified, with all the current Wazas stacked with a bit of the successive pedal peaking out. It looks like an FZ-2w in the back.

And a PN-2w in front of that.

I'd buy that PN-2w so quick its unreal. THE tremolo.

[Pepe]

It's my all-time favourite tremolo pedal. Especially for electric piano.

[Woolworm]

It's my all-time favourite tremolo pedal. Especially for electric piano.

Its just behind the VOX repeat percussion in terms of historical importance and I guess the the vibrato on the fenders and the tremolo on the VOX amps.

[tremolo3]

This happened:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtwwlv60Vkg[/youtube]

I believe it's a clone.

[Dandolin]

no way

[cosmicevan]

if you aren't a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless. If we are in agreement that creativity comes from within and not an external thing like a pedal or the type of instrument, then what the heck are we even discussing about here?

I don't know about that. Plug anyone in the world into a chain of Particle 2s, and I think they'll sound pretty decent.

Fairly certain that YouTube tells us, that all creativity comes from the Akashic records. (so it's both internal & external)

touché

[Bartimaeus]

i didn't see anyone say that they can't make art without this pedal? but also, i think it is frustrating when collectors stop objects from being used for their intended purpose. kind of like when non-musician rich people buy steinway grand pianos as a living room decorations (even if they're the reason steinway can stay afloat, it still annoys me). but it's also partly frustrating that's because of the reputation it creates. the collectability of vintage guitars keeps getting crazier, and i can't help but think it reinforces the idea that people need something that's built exactly like a 60s les paul to make good music (when in reality you can stick a vaguelly-paf pickup in any block of wood, and it'll sound right with a bit of distortion).

I know you weren't directly attacking me, well maybe you were, but I didn't interpret it that way.

Out of curiosity, what is the intended purpose that you feel a collector is actually blocking? The only thing that resonates with logic is "hey you own that and I don't no fair." As a musician (well, depends on who you ask) just because I am a collector doesn't mean that I don't play the pedals I collect...and even if I liked the way that the pedal looked and bought them to keep them pristine in the package, so what? I don't do this, but if I did...why would that affect anyone but me?

I ask because I saw a LOT of comments like that when trying to explain why I was pissed that CBA put pressure on people like me (who genuinely want to try out their creations) to buy something on their terms because of the limited nature and zero action taken (like limiting it to 1 per person) to prevent scalping which is what really lead to the fast sell out - scalpers rushing for profits while fans rushed to not miss out. Like I said in other posts, and others have agreed with, a limited item means buy it now or pay stupid flipper prices.

I'm curious if to you, there is a set number of gigs you must have with the pedal being engaged or a certain number of hours at home with the pedal on that justifies it being okay to own something? I play music pretty much every night for at least an hour after I get my kids to sleep. I play out with other musicians in front of other people and just in jam rooms without audiences as well. Simply stated, I love experimental music and exploring sound...and as a result, I have a nice "collection" of pedals/tools that enable me to have my fun. Do you own any pedals that don't live on your active board? How is that any different than someone like me who has 50 pedals not on my board? How many guitars or other instruments do you own that don't get played all the time? I own 3 basses and 2 guitars, which by most musician standards is barely anything.

Your steinway example is kind of a good one to dig in on...so let's. The keyboard player from my college band is now a fairly successful doctor. His time for music is limited by his profession and his desire to be present with his family and friends...but he does still play and makes time here and there for music. When he was deep into playing music all the time, he couldn't afford the steinway or the vintage rhodes or wurlitzer...but now he has a "collection" of gorgeous classic instruments that he enjoys when he can. Sure, his grand piano is quite the show piece and prominently displayed within his home, almost as furniture, but it's still an instrument and he still knows how to play it...but if he didn't, why would that matter? He worked hard in life to get where he is and that's how he wants to spend his money. It doesn't hold anyone else back and if he owned a one-off piano...that wouldn't stop anyone else from making music in any other way. If it wasn't for people like my friend buying a steinway like instrument to be in their home, like you said...there would be no steinway and prices would be even crazier...and it would push a steinway even further from the casual musician.

Ultimately, at the end of the day...if you are a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless and if you aren't a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless. If we are in agreement that creativity comes from within and not an external thing like a pedal or the type of instrument, then what the heck are we even discussing about here? I was annoyed that I was sold a product based false advertising, as such I returned the product. Could have been a pedal, a sneaker, a pog...who cares. As for the Bliss Factory itself, TBH you can get just as crazy with a Your & You're or pick your fuzz and pick your filter.

i definitely wasn't trying to attack you or anyone else! if anything i'm probably attacking myself: i have too many pedals in my closed that i don't use often and should probably sell, but keep because it'd be annoying to track them down again. i think you're right, there's not a reasonable way to figure out the correct amount of use to justify owning something (though i'll continue to roll my eyes at vintage collectors with storage lockers full of guitars).

but now that i consider, i do think my bigger issue is with the culture it creates, not with any specific boxes or instruments sitting in closets. sure, the klon sounds good, but an already good musician could make music just fine without. but the collectability of the original has led so many players to consider a klone to be an essential flavor in their arsenal of overdrives. if the klon wasn't selling for crazy money, would that still be the case? or would more people learn to make do with what they have? maybe getting different sounds with eq pedals and tone controls – or even just changing up how far from the bridge they pick.

i feel like it does contribute to a culture where beginners feel the need to get more gear before they'll be able to sound good, when they should be focusing on practicing. perhaps it's not as big of a force as i'm imagining, but that culture does make it harder for people to figure out how to become good musicians. at least, certain types of people who're more easily distracted by gear and marketing...

and it may seem unreasonable, but i'm dissatisfied with a world in which people in which people like your doctor friend can only afford a steinway after he no longer has as much time to play. though those waters are too choppy to swim any further into on a forum haha

[D.o.S.]

if you aren't a great player, the gear you have is pretty meaningless. If we are in agreement that creativity comes from within and not an external thing like a pedal or the type of instrument, then what the heck are we even discussing about here?

I don't know about that. Plug anyone in the world into a chain of Particle 2s, and I think they'll sound pretty decent.

Fairly certain that YouTube tells us, that all creativity comes from the Akashic records. (so it's both internal & external)

+1.

but now that i consider, i do think my bigger issue is with the culture it creates, not with any specific boxes or instruments sitting in closets. sure, the klon sounds good, but an already good musician could make music just fine without. but the collectability of the original has led so many players to consider a klone to be an essential flavor in their arsenal of overdrives. if the klon wasn't selling for crazy money, would that still be the case? or would more people learn to make do with what they have? maybe getting different sounds with eq pedals and tone controls – or even just changing up how far from the bridge they pick.

i feel like it does contribute to a culture where beginners feel the need to get more gear before they'll be able to sound good, when they should be focusing on practicing. perhaps it's not as big of a force as i'm imagining, but that culture does make it harder for people to figure out how to become good musicians. at least, certain types of people who're more easily distracted by gear and marketing...

Maybe, but this has pretty much always been the case. It must be the wand not the wizard is the default mantra for pretty much anything involving any kind of equipment.