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Jakezor wrote:

Chankgeez wrote:Yes, yes it was…
and strangely enough their band leader plays a bassoon-like instrument.

That isn't a bong?

KaosCill8r wrote:

Jakezor wrote:

Chankgeez wrote:Yes, yes it was…
and strangely enough their band leader plays a bassoon-like instrument.

That isn't a bong?

True! But if you use your imagination, tools and some found parts, it can be.

BLOOD EAGLE wrote:

KaosCill8r wrote:

Jakezor wrote:

Chankgeez wrote:Yes, yes it was…
and strangely enough their band leader plays a bassoon-like instrument.

That isn't a bong?

True! But if you use your imagination, tools and some found parts, it can be.

WHERE THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY.

Our instruments were built to last and be repaired rather than tossed in the landfill should they malfunction or get damaged in the field.

jrfox92 wrote:I built a Hammered Dulcimer with my Dad from scratch. We've had it for a couple of years and neither of us have ever even attempted to learn how to play it.
A friend came by the other day and played the coolest drone music I've ever heard on it without even knowing what it was or how to play it, plus it wasn't even remotely in tune.

pickdropper wrote:This is an interesting thread.

The board reworking / recycling / landfilling of PCBs really has more to do with the internal politics of the manufacturer and the quality of the parts/boards than whether or not it is SMT or Through-hole. Lots of consumer electronics companies have boards that can be easily swapped out, which speeds up the repair for the customer. The boards are then repaired, retested and put into refurbished units. This is a win/win for customers as they get fast returns and different customers can buy discounted refurbished units.

As far as how repairable a board is, there are so many factors it's impossible to boil it down to SMT/TH.

- For most standard SMT components, it's faster for me to repair if the components are on the open side of the board. I can pull of resistors and caps with a pair of soldering tweezers in seconds, clean up the pads and solder on new parts. If I don't have tweezers, I can usually sideswipe the part with a standard soldering iron and still be in business. For more complicated packages, like BGAs or QFNs, they are a bit of a pain. Companies that do a lot of boards with those will often have rework stations to deal with them, but that type of repair may be a bit more difficult for DIYers without access to that type of equipment. Of course, those types of parts don't often have through-hole variants, so it's not an Apples to Apples comparison. Now, if the SMT components are on the underside of the board, I'll need to take the whole pedal apart, which is a hassle.

- For TH parts, I can often change a resistor, diode or a transistor fairly easily without major effort. For many cap types (some of the more commonly failed parts in older pedals) I usually have to pull the board, which, again, is a bit of a hassle. It's more common for me to have to take out the board for TH repairs than SMT.

To summarize, sometimes SMT repairs can be VERY fast, others not so much. Same thing with Through-hole. It varies.

Chankgeez wrote:

pickdropper wrote:This is an interesting thread.

The board reworking / recycling / landfilling of PCBs really has more to do with the internal politics of the manufacturer and the quality of the parts/boards than whether or not it is SMT or Through-hole. Lots of consumer electronics companies have boards that can be easily swapped out, which speeds up the repair for the customer. The boards are then repaired, retested and put into refurbished units. This is a win/win for customers as they get fast returns and different customers can buy discounted refurbished units.

As far as how repairable a board is, there are so many factors it's impossible to boil it down to SMT/TH.

- For most standard SMT components, it's faster for me to repair if the components are on the open side of the board. I can pull of resistors and caps with a pair of soldering tweezers in seconds, clean up the pads and solder on new parts. If I don't have tweezers, I can usually sideswipe the part with a standard soldering iron and still be in business. For more complicated packages, like BGAs or QFNs, they are a bit of a pain. Companies that do a lot of boards with those will often have rework stations to deal with them, but that type of repair may be a bit more difficult for DIYers without access to that type of equipment. Of course, those types of parts don't often have through-hole variants, so it's not an Apples to Apples comparison. Now, if the SMT components are on the underside of the board, I'll need to take the whole pedal apart, which is a hassle.

- For TH parts, I can often change a resistor, diode or a transistor fairly easily without major effort. For many cap types (some of the more commonly failed parts in older pedals) I usually have to pull the board, which, again, is a bit of a hassle. It's more common for me to have to take out the board for TH repairs than SMT.

To summarize, sometimes SMT repairs can be VERY fast, others not so much. Same thing with Through-hole. It varies.

Nice post, pickdropper, reminded me a bit of this blog post I read a while back:

http://www.carolineguitar.com/what-were ... e-and-why/

zeravla wrote:Using tubes seems dated to a lot of folks outside of the music world also