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Sorry, it's been a long day and I'm all aflutter with rage.

No need to apologize; you are cute when you're mad.

Ugly Nora wrote:No need to apologize; you are cute when you're mad.

I concur

Uncle Grandfather wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:I'm going to assume your tongue is now stabbing out the other side of your cheek with the phrase "limited funds"

a discount is a discount is all i'm saying.

But what if your favorite builder cannot build anymore because he don't make money?

I had a battle once with Prymaxe to return a defective pedal... I won, but I will never order there any more.

sylnau wrote:

Uncle Grandfather wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:I'm going to assume your tongue is now stabbing out the other side of your cheek with the phrase "limited funds"

a discount is a discount is all i'm saying.

But what if your favorite builder cannot build anymore because he don't make money?

I had a battle once with Prymaxe to return a defective pedal... I won, but I will never order there any more.

i've never had any problems with prymaxe and enjoy their discounts if i can use them. i assume the builder has already been paid by prymaxe unless they are selling on consignment. i dont know anything about any drama, or bad business. as a consumer i am interested in getting the best price is all.

Yea it's a moot point because I won't be using Prymaxe ever. hahaha.

Now I'm not going to say I won't go to other retailers. The first one, which I made contact with already and they are interested is a local one. Which would be awesome for local players in the Kansas City area. We don't have any cool guitar stores, so it's nice to see them carry Earthquaker, Strymon and a few other boutique companies. Well...dunno if you can call Strymon boutique, but you know what I mean.

I will say this though I am going to be reaching out to distributors once things start rolling smoothly. You know if it sells well, etc. It's all risk right now.

One way or another I'll have some kick ass fuzzes. I've loved working with Roy (Greenhouse Effects) as well. He's very, very receptive to my ideas and tweaks and this is pretty much Jeff and I's baby. You know, if we made a baby. err...with Roy too in there. lol

I'm also going to start doing some r&d on a different pedal once this one comes out.

I think a lot of you guys will dig it once it's demoed. Maybe I'll do a tourbox too.

sylnau wrote:But what if your favorite builder cannot build anymore because he don't make money?

Here are my thoughts on the Prymaxe issue:

1. I agree with all the points in the anti-prymaxe threads. They are aggressive to say the least. Business isn't pretty. Unfortunately this is the world today.

2. I don't see how Prymaxe discounting things heavily all year around is any different than Amazon discounting things heavily all year around. But I don't think I have ever seen anyone complain about Amazon's low prices. And I guarantee Amazon is responsible for more small companies (and large companies) going out of business due to their aggressive pricing than Prymaxe ever will be.

3. A builder makes more money on a pedal that someone buys at a discount on Prymaxe than they do when a person buys a used pedal off of ebay or in the B/S/T.

4. If selling things on Prymaxe is bad for the builder, why does the builder sell their stuff there? They obviously are seeing a benefit from selling on Prymaxe. I have said before in one of those long threads that the builders should sort of unionize and agree not to sell their stuff at Prymaxe. This will either force Prymaxe out of business or force them to rethink how they treat builders, or make make them sell just boring everyday stuff that has mass market appeal. Either way, the outcome would be bad for Prymaxe's bottom line.

Moreover, if the builder continues to sell on Prymaxe despite any misgivings they have about the discounts, then it is not fair to blame the consumer for taking advantage of the discount that is being offered. That is a double standard. It seems people here want the consumers to take a high moral ground, while the builder themselves are not taking the same ground. There are some builders that sell on Prymaxe that don't allow discounts. So, obviously they have an issue with the discounts. But wouldn't a better response from a high moral ground standpoint be to completely pull their products from Prymaxe to hurt Prymaxe and hopefully make them think twice about selling other builder's pedals at a discount? See what I am saying? A builder like that is trying to have their cake and eat it too and obviously doesn't care about the other builders. Why is that caring responsibility dumped on the consumers' shoulders only?

5. I am hungry and am going to go eat.

Guys while general sidetracking and derailing isn't normally an issue, could we please move the Prymaxe talk elsewhere?

jwar wrote:Guys while general sidetracking and derailing isn't normally an issue, could we please move the Prymaxe talk elsewhere?

once again prymaxevintage screws over a builder

I'm so excited for this. Any idea of when the unveiling will be?

Wes Mantooth wrote:I'm so excited for this. Any idea of when the unveiling will be?

I'm hoping within the next month I'll have something to show.

Has this pedal been built yet or is it all still a concept?

This is not a concept. It's being developed right now. The fuzz and eq have been figured out, but there's testing, prototyping, pbc design and other things that need to be done. So I'm not selling these yet but making a list for the first ten for ilf bros. Discounts are not being offered on any other site.

jwar wrote:This is not a concept. It's being developed right now. The fuzz and eq have been figured out, but there's testing, prototyping, pbc design and other things that need to be done. So I'm not selling these yet but making a list for the first ten for ilf bros. Discounts are not being offered on any other site.

Ah okay, yeah I was just wondering if you were still working on ideas or if it was being put together.

Uncle Grandfather wrote:

jwar wrote:Guys while general sidetracking and derailing isn't normally an issue, could we please move the Prymaxe talk elsewhere?

once again prymaxevintage screws over a builder

That's gold, UG. Gold.