small+cheap analog filter (SS/BS Dirge collab.)

[hollowhero]

I'm drawing a blank here. I want the Moog, but it's fucking huge (and $300). Is there anything that sounds good, but comes in a normal size enclosure? I don't need any LFO/envelope shenanigans.... an expression jack for the frequency would be nice though.

[Chankgeez]

So, you want something like a Xerograph?

[leaves turn]

Xerograph Deluxe sounds great and has expression control, though in my experience the sweep was wonky (used an EP3). It's a little rare and usually goes for $150+


Lower end you've got DOD FX25B which is fairly popular. No expression control. I've never used one. There's one on reverb right now for $50.

[chuckjaywalk]

I've used the FX25 and FX25B. There are definitely better in that price range. I like the Bassballs and Digitech SynthWah.

[hollowhero]

So, you want something like a Xerograph?

That could work... for some reason I thought that was digital

[Chankgeez]

You know, I don't really know if it's digital.

I just took a look at the Iron Ether website and it didn't say anything about it either way. I can't imagine it would be, but you never know.

[Ro_S]

what's the difference between an envelope filter and an auto wah?

[nevada]

What kind of filter? Lowpass like the Moog?

[Chankgeez]

Envelope filters use the input signal to control the envelope of the filter.

Auto wahs may use an LFO or another method to cycle the filter.

Here's a good read:

http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/e ... cftech.htm

Either way, there's movement going on with the filter.

I think hollowhero's asking about a static filter than can be swept with an expression pedal.

[nevada]

You know, I don't really know if it's digital.

I just took a look at the Iron Ether website and it didn't say anything about it either way. I can't imagine it would be, but you never know.

I'm pretty sure it's digital and uses FV-1 to do its DSP.

[hollowhero]

Yeah, I'm just looking for a static low pass filter with frequency and resonance controls in a small box (like a 1590b). If it's got extra filter modes or envelope/lfo control that's fine too.

[theavondon]

Xero is digital, yes, but man, it sure does not sound like it at all. Sounds basically just as fucking fat and huge as the moog Low Pass I used to have, but it's way smaller and easier to use.

[Chankgeez]

I usually don't like digital (although, they're continuing to make digital pedals sound closer and closer to warmth of analog), but I've got a Xerograph Deluxe and I think it sounds pretty nice. So, , I guess that's a recommendation right there.

[nevada]

I've been looking into the same thing for quite some time. The cheapest way that I've seen to get something decent is probably Korg's Mini KP-1. Definitely not optimal for guitar, etc. Doesn't meet your criteria at all.

There's the Ibanez Tone-Lok SB7. It appears to basically be a lowpass filter capable of 1) auto-wah or envelope via the "SENS" knob and three modes, as well as 2) a pre-filter overdrive. I haven't used one, but I read about a thousand different descriptions. Seems solid, sounds nice and resonant to me. Any higher in the price range and you can probably just get the small Moogerfooger.

I don't believe the previously mentioned DOD filter is a lowpass. Could be wrong. I asked on here recently and someone said bandpass.

Having someone build this thing might be optimal: http://ericarcher.net/devices/diy-lpf/

[Chankgeez]

Well, that's kind of the thing, I don't there are too many analog filter pedals in the first place (whether band-pass or low-pass). Much less any that are inexpensive, in a small enclosure and have expression pedal control for the frequency.

That DIY project looks pretty neat, nevada. I think you should do that.