Big Muff/ Fuzz Face offspring

[Teej212]

has anyone ever made a fuzz that is just like a big muff except with the clipping stages replaced with a fuzz face? I think it might be pretty cool sounding. just wondering if anyone has ever acted on this idea and if im original

[Bellyheart]

Run with it and I'll try the proto and send it back to you

[Teej212]

i wont have access to make any sort of prototype for about 4 months

[Seiche]

wait, how do you mean? take out the diodes and put in a fuzz face? that won't work because the clipping is in the feedback loop and putting an amplifier in there will just make it cleaner because of more feedback, no? Or do you mean cascadeing two fuzz faces?

[Jero]

^I was a little unsure myself.

Like boost stage>fuzz face>fuzzface>tone control>buffer...?
or put fuzzfaces in the feedback loops of stage 2&3 in the muff?

[moose23]

I took as meaning you'd replace the two clipping stages, transistors and all, with a fuzz face so essentially a fuzz face with a boost in front and a BM tone section and gain recovery stage afterwards. I don't really see the point myself, better off with just a simple tone control after the fuzz face if even that imo but the beauty of the fuzz face is in the simplicity. Having siad that I've never tried it for myself so who knows.

[Teej212]

that is what i was planning on doing.

[Seiche]

two fuzz faces in parallel sound pretty badass. so much mean saturation that the bass strings "go away". But a buffer/boost before that could ruin it.

[moose23]

Not the exact same thing but the Fiz'd Fuzz is quite similar to this idea only it has a Bazz Fuss stuck in there too. I'd take from that idea a bit and have the first boost section switchable.

http://www.freestompboxes.org/download/ ... &mode=view

[Teej212]

thats pretty close to what I had thought of doing. I do love that pedals sound.

and seiche, what do you mean they 'go away'? That sounds interesting. also i hadnt thought of connecting them in parallel, only in series, but I imagine that would get pretty freaky.

[Nocentelli]

Two fuzzfaces in series gets a bit messy: the gain goes up, but it doesn't feel like twice the gain. The noise, hiss, hum and feedback does double, though. I believe the Durham Crazy Horse includes two fuzzfaces in series, but I assume the tonestack helps tame some of thaty extra hiss/noise. The parallel fuzzface is a fun idea: I'd be tempted to split the input and send one through a small cap (like 10n or less) and onto one fuzzface, send the other through a massive cap with a small (e.g. 4n7) cap to ground, so one circuit fuzzes the highs and one fuzzes the lows. You could then combine the outputs with a mix pot ahead of the volume control.

[Seiche]

and seiche, what do you mean they 'go away'? That sounds interesting.

try stacking fuzz faces (or fuzzes). obviously the strings don't go away, but the frequencies cancel out somewhat and get kinda lost, but it sounds pretty brutal, albeit not louder. When you play a power chord on the E string and bend the higher string you get oscillation and the treble strings sustain infinitely. pretty interesting. Maybe that can be tamed by adding a tonestack.

[Craiz]

Two fuzzfaces in series gets a bit messy: the gain goes up, but it doesn't feel like twice the gain. The noise, hiss, hum and feedback does double, though. I believe the Durham Crazy Horse includes two fuzzfaces in series, but I assume the tonestack helps tame some of thaty extra hiss/noise. The parallel fuzzface is a fun idea: I'd be tempted to split the input and send one through a small cap (like 10n or less) and onto one fuzzface, send the other through a massive cap with a small (e.g. 4n7) cap to ground, so one circuit fuzzes the highs and one fuzzes the lows. You could then combine the outputs with a mix pot ahead of the volume control.

Now that is a good idea......I think I'll fool around with the concept with a couple muff fuzz's.....mebbe a stupidly wonderful tone control at the end......I'll let you know how it turns out.