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DC-Jack and 9V Battery question...

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Hi.
So I normally use the DC-Jacks with three connectors, so I can use a 9V Battery.
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But they were sold out at the store... so I got the ones with only two connectors....
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now my question:
Is it possible to wire it like that:
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so that I can use my 9V Battery? :idk:
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Re: DC-Jack and 9V Battery question...

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What's the diode for? Looks like it will prevent the battery from outputting more than 0.7v (assuming a typical silicon diode). I think.

I think what will happen is that the battery will be in the circuit whether the DC adapter plug is inserted or not. So your battery is going to wear down all the time. The reason DC jacks have three lugs is because one is disconnected (the battery lug) when a plug is inserted.
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Re: DC-Jack and 9V Battery question...

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culturejam wrote:What's the diode for? Looks like it will prevent the battery from outputting more than 0.7v (assuming a typical silicon diode). I think.

I think what will happen is that the battery will be in the circuit whether the DC adapter plug is inserted or not. So your battery is going to wear down all the time.


The diode is to prevent current from going into the battery... so it doesn't explode or something...

culturejam wrote:The reason DC jacks have three lugs is because one is disconnected (the battery lug) when a plug is inserted.


Yeah I know but they were sold out...
Any other ideas?
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Re: DC-Jack and 9V Battery question...

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i think it will be ok IF your supply is good and puts out seomthign at least ~8.3V all the time

cons that might not matter that much: when a DC supply is not present teh battery output is lowered by the diode. Diodes still leak current when reversed, so say dc supply is higher than the battery output, a small amount of current will flow into the battery, and slowly charge it :). The amount is quite small so i dont think it would ever explode or somethign like that.

cons that will really matter: if you plug ina supply and it sags the diode will probably burn out assuming the battery can source the current. Consider a battery that has 9V adn a supply that sags to 6 or 8V for whatever reason. You have 9v on the anode of the diode and something much less on the cathode. For forward biased diode the current is EXPONENTIALLY proportional to the voltage accross the junction. i believe the formula is something like

I_diode ~ I_saturation * e ^(V/Thermal Voltage) where I_sat and Thermal Voltages are some constants depending on fabrication technique and ambiant operating condition etc. and V is the voltage accros the diode. The thermal voltage is usually on the order of 25 mV. I_sat is usually in the order of pico or femto amps.

so if you just plug in some numbers, say I_sat is 10^-15 and Thermal V = 25mV. For the case of 8 volts you end up with a 1v across the diode and 235 amps flowing though the diode. Of course the battery wont source that, but it serves to show that you will likely burn the diode.

To me this is the only real problem with the setup, and if your supply is solid, it might not happen.
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lol...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t-9pDKh-Rs

and more seriously this was pretty good if you have any interest beyond his comedy routine:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hawking-paradox/

and also here: you don't need a diode to travel though time because it may not really exist. as such all diodes can achieve time travel or none. its sort of a glass is half full or half empty sort of thing

http://does-time-exist.info/
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