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Dandolin wrote:agreed - what do you think of the Synergy stuff?
:idk: 4th time around for that idea right? I think seymour duncan started it? then H&K [it's what they did before the tube man stuff] and then Randal I think.. If what I saw was right... I mean it's a cool idea.. don't think it would work in my world..
yeah, and Egnater in there somewhere too - they seem to sound pretty good, but the interfaces are as crowded as mini pedals, and you sort of have to be either wed to their power amp; in a rack format; or in a desktop format that is probs great for recording but useless for live rigs....

also, obviously, they're only addressing the preamp part of the equation, with a slight nod to the P.I. -- idk - the use of the term 'module' is more than slightly redolent of eurocrack and it's probs a similar financial black hole - seems to be geared more for the amp collectors than anything :idk:
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I could have sworn that they already released that one. Perhaps it was just the inevitability of it coming out of Boutique Amps Distribution after the Friedman, the Bogner, and the Diezel.
cool - so we can expect eventual mini heads and then pedals for models from Tone King, Egnater and Morgan as well? :snax:
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Dandolin wrote: yeah, and Egnater in there somewhere too - they seem to sound pretty good, but the interfaces are as crowded as mini pedals, and you sort of have to be either wed to their power amp; in a rack format; or in a desktop format that is probs great for recording but useless for live rigs....

also, obviously, they're only addressing the preamp part of the equation, with a slight nod to the P.I. -- idk - the use of the term 'module' is more than slightly redolent of eurocrack and it's probs a similar financial black hole - seems to be geared more for the amp collectors than anything :idk:
They do have head-format homes for the modules. I pretty much ignore those because mono. I do rack, but I care less about the physical format of the power amp than that it delivers stereo.

The desktop and rack preamp units that take modules can be used into an effects loop return or, for a bit more versatility, they can switch between the module’s channels and the preamp in your amp. So you can use these as extra channels for the amp you already have.

They do want to sell a bunch of them—business, amiright?—but the pitch isn’t bad for getting a lot of the vibe of a much more expensive amp for $400 (or less on sale or used) once you’ve gotten into the ecosystem. There is a lot of the narcissism of small differences in the heavy tilt towards high-gain mod’ed Marshall flavors in the current offerings, but users seem to find the differences quite meaningful. Also, IMO, the low-to-mid gain offerings are pretty much the minimum anyone would have expected—a black panel Fender-ish one, a tweed Bassman-ish one, a kind of underwhelming kinda Vox-y offering from Morgan, and a “Plexi” module that starts at mod’ed Plexi just to disappoint fans of clean vintage Marshall sounds. Some others will do a clean channel along with a gain-y channel, but mostly they start at crunch.

I dunno, I’ve obviously paid some attention. But I haven’t bitten. Waiting on the v2 Fryette GPDI because it takes care of the power section’s contribution (and speaker sounds) in a way that makes it easy to feed the rack. I think I can pass on channel switching as long as the channel I’m running into is good and takes my pedals like a champ. The Synergy is hyper focused on the part I can already do well enough that I’m focused on the rest of the solution.
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Dandolin wrote: yeah, and Egnater in there somewhere too - they seem to sound pretty good, but the interfaces are as crowded as mini pedals, and you sort of have to be either wed to their power amp; in a rack format; or in a desktop format that is probs great for recording but useless for live rigs....

also, obviously, they're only addressing the preamp part of the equation, with a slight nod to the P.I. -- idk - the use of the term 'module' is more than slightly redolent of eurocrack and it's probs a similar financial black hole - seems to be geared more for the amp collectors than anything :idk:
They do have head-format homes for the modules. I pretty much ignore those because mono. I do rack, but I care less about the physical format of the power amp than that it delivers stereo.

The desktop and rack preamp units that take modules can be used into an effects loop return or, for a bit more versatility, they can switch between the module’s channels and the preamp in your amp. So you can use these as extra channels for the amp you already have.

They do want to sell a bunch of them—business, amiright?—but the pitch isn’t bad for getting a lot of the vibe of a much more expensive amp for $400 (or less on sale or used) once you’ve gotten into the ecosystem. There is a lot of the narcissism of small differences in the heavy tilt towards high-gain mod’ed Marshall flavors in the current offerings, but users seem to find the differences quite meaningful. Also, IMO, the low-to-mid gain offerings are pretty much the minimum anyone would have expected—a black panel Fender-ish one, a tweed Bassman-ish one, a kind of underwhelming kinda Vox-y offering from Morgan, and a “Plexi” module that starts at mod’ed Plexi just to disappoint fans of clean vintage Marshall sounds. Some others will do a clean channel along with a gain-y channel, but mostly they start at crunch.

I dunno, I’ve obviously paid some attention. But I haven’t bitten. Waiting on the v2 Fryette GPDI because it takes care of the power section’s contribution (and speaker sounds) in a way that makes it easy to feed the rack. I think I can pass on channel switching as long as the channel I’m running into is good and takes my pedals like a champ. The Synergy is hyper focused on the part I can already do well enough that I’m focused on the rest of the solution.
all good info! :)* thx!

lines up with my understanding, accounting for the cynic distance in my take :P

and i get that Synergy has offered up a full line - my run-down was less a criticism of the implementation than an acknowledgement that it doesn't fit blackened's particular use case. as for JTM-45 cleans - you can probs get those from Salvation or Jaded Faith, no? while i personally would prefer that such a system feature more oddball and unobtainium lower gain offerings, i get why the company sees it's bread and butter in the high gain world (hell.it's not like the 8Ts preamps that feed the concept catered to my preferred odd duck sounds at all - they were shred machines).

and, anyway, my desire to have a way to collect interchangeable octal or EF86 based preamps is just as narcissistic as that of the high-gainers that are loving the system (and much harder (read: impossible) to accommodate in an AX7 ecosystem obvi :lol: ). ultimately, the Synergy way still makes more sense to me than cobbling together a preamp the Kingsley way with separate clean preamp, second channel/boost, and p.i. phases in a chain of pedals that could easily add up to quite a bit more than a Syn-1 and a preamp module of your choice....

and i agree - the GPDI/IR that's coming is, despite a more "closed" architecture, more interesting to me - finding it hard to get decent scutttle on when that one's going to finally pop - you heard anything?

also, how do you handle stereo effects with the GPDI? i can see the stereo outs on the Syn-2, but the Fryette's multiple outs don't seem to align with a pure stereo concept?

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Dandolin wrote:splablgrrbl, it's almost like NAMM or something :idk:
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Depth and Rate controls implies modulation which would be a welcome addition. Outside possibility could be a filter, also would be great.

Because of the small dual mono format, all of their pedals are on my board so whatever it is will probably park there too, for awhile.

Thankful for Red Panda, the Walrus Mako series and the (now) older Meris format for the board shrinkage!
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flanger plz :)*
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Dandolin wrote: and i get that Synergy has offered up a full line - my run-down was less a criticism of the implementation than an acknowledgement that it doesn't fit blackened's particular use case. as for JTM-45 cleans - you can probs get those from Salvation or Jaded Faith, no? while i personally would prefer that such a system feature more oddball and unobtainium lower gain offerings, i get why the company sees it's bread and butter in the high gain world (hell.it's not like the 8Ts preamps that feed the concept catered to my preferred odd duck sounds at all - they were shred machines).

and, anyway, my desire to have a way to collect interchangeable octal or EF86 based preamps is just as narcissistic as that of the high-gainers that are loving the system (and much harder (read: impossible) to accommodate in an AX7 ecosystem obvi :lol: ). ultimately, the Synergy way still makes more sense to me than cobbling together a preamp the Kingsley way with separate clean preamp, second channel/boost, and p.i. phases in a chain of pedals that could easily add up to quite a bit more than a Syn-1 and a preamp module of your choice....

and i agree - the GPDI/IR that's coming is, despite a more "closed" architecture, more interesting to me - finding it hard to get decent scutttle on when that one's going to finally pop - you heard anything?

also, how do you handle stereo effects with the GPDI? i can see the stereo outs on the Syn-2, but the Fryette's multiple outs don't seem to align with a pure stereo concept?

:snax:
For JTM and early pre-“Lead” Marshall Super sounds, the BMan should be fine. But the EQ shifted on the Leads, even apart from some brightening tricks in the circuit. Different flavor.

So many people ask for EF-86 modules without understanding that there’s always gonna be a 12AX7 first. Yep, it’s a closed system in a way that accommodates most of the normie preamp world fine. And vs rigging a Voodoo Lab GCX or something as a preamp switcher, it is a bit easier to deal with. If you can get a preamp made with a channel or two of oddball, the channel-extension thing can add to that, at least.

Re: GPDI, it’s supposed to be the next priority at a 5 person shop that doesn’t like to do “good enough.” Maybe this summer, probably this year. For stereo, there is an effects return for the headphone amp with the basic intent of giving the player a little something to track with; the new version’s headphone amp is supposed to be loud enough to push speakers enough for low-ish volume use, so maybe enough for home use stereo fun. But I intend to just use one as a mono source to feed a rack that goes stereo, listening on headphones or monitors. (Or dual mono source—I’m intrigued by the idea of using the built in IRs in the new version in parallel with the analog cab sim.) I’m just setting on mono in front of the amp and all stereo behind because stereo input guitar amps are rare and when they happen have their own compromises. If I were gigging, I might get fussed about wanting FRFR or tube power amps into guitar cabs, but I’m not so I don’t. I just want a capture of a good, responsive whole-amp sound to feed effects like if I was working in the control room of a studio with the mics in the live room.
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Dandolin wrote:splablgrrbl, it's almost like NAMM or something :idk:
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Depth and Rate controls implies modulation which would be a welcome addition. Outside possibility could be a filter, also would be great.

Because of the small dual mono format, all of their pedals are on my board so whatever it is will probably park there too, for awhile.

Thankful for Red Panda, the Walrus Mako series and the (now) older Meris format for the board shrinkage!
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Gone Fission wrote:
Dandolin wrote: and i get that Synergy has offered up a full line - my run-down was less a criticism of the implementation than an acknowledgement that it doesn't fit blackened's particular use case. as for JTM-45 cleans - you can probs get those from Salvation or Jaded Faith, no? while i personally would prefer that such a system feature more oddball and unobtainium lower gain offerings, i get why the company sees it's bread and butter in the high gain world (hell.it's not like the 8Ts preamps that feed the concept catered to my preferred odd duck sounds at all - they were shred machines).

and, anyway, my desire to have a way to collect interchangeable octal or EF86 based preamps is just as narcissistic as that of the high-gainers that are loving the system (and much harder (read: impossible) to accommodate in an AX7 ecosystem obvi :lol: ). ultimately, the Synergy way still makes more sense to me than cobbling together a preamp the Kingsley way with separate clean preamp, second channel/boost, and p.i. phases in a chain of pedals that could easily add up to quite a bit more than a Syn-1 and a preamp module of your choice....

and i agree - the GPDI/IR that's coming is, despite a more "closed" architecture, more interesting to me - finding it hard to get decent scutttle on when that one's going to finally pop - you heard anything?

also, how do you handle stereo effects with the GPDI? i can see the stereo outs on the Syn-2, but the Fryette's multiple outs don't seem to align with a pure stereo concept?

:snax:
For JTM and early pre-“Lead” Marshall Super sounds, the BMan should be fine. But the EQ shifted on the Leads, even apart from some brightening tricks in the circuit. Different flavor.

So many people ask for EF-86 modules without understanding that there’s always gonna be a 12AX7 first. Yep, it’s a closed system in a way that accommodates most of the normie preamp world fine. And vs rigging a Voodoo Lab GCX or something as a preamp switcher, it is a bit easier to deal with. If you can get a preamp made with a channel or two of oddball, the channel-extension thing can add to that, at least.

Re: GPDI, it’s supposed to be the next priority at a 5 person shop that doesn’t like to do “good enough.” Maybe this summer, probably this year. For stereo, there is an effects return for the headphone amp with the basic intent of giving the player a little something to track with; the new version’s headphone amp is supposed to be loud enough to push speakers enough for low-ish volume use, so maybe enough for home use stereo fun. But I intend to just use one as a mono source to feed a rack that goes stereo, listening on headphones or monitors. (Or dual mono source—I’m intrigued by the idea of using the built in IRs in the new version in parallel with the analog cab sim.) I’m just setting on mono in front of the amp and all stereo behind because stereo input guitar amps are rare and when they happen have their own compromises. If I were gigging, I might get fussed about wanting FRFR or tube power amps into guitar cabs, but I’m not so I don’t. I just want a capture of a good, responsive whole-amp sound to feed effects like if I was working in the control room of a studio with the mics in the live room.
good thoughts, thanks for the skinny :)* i can wait on Fryette - probs not anything i should be chasing anyway - i have a few amps i like and a Power Station, so i can always just use them for my similarly non-gigging ways. always scheming ways to make things easier tho, if i can do it without giving up too much tone/feel....

i'm hep to the bassman/JTM lineage, btw, i just meant Salvation Audio and Jaded Faith make low gain JTM-45-type modules that have the the high-mid push to get you more into Marshall land while still giving shade of lower gain and cleans. personally, i like that sound well enough, but i prefer a blonde or tweed bassman

and i've been well down the EF86 rabbit-hole, but my interest isn't in Vox derivatives - i'm coming from a modded radio amp angle on the EF86, and even then, i have much more interest in the 6S*7 family and the circuits that use it. i have no illusions that Synergy or anybody else that wants to market a preamp-swap unit is gonna have time/energy/market for that :lol: anyway, an EF86 isn't in itself a signifier of any particular tone to me - it's a sign of design intent that might turn out to be interesting pending an actual listening experience, so the presence of a 12a*7 either before or after the EF doesn't chap my hide or deter me from giving the thing a listen :idk:

even given all that tho, and my general disinterest in higher-gain tones as a steady diet, i have had a few occasions now where i've run into a high gain circuit, whether preamp or pedal, that can deliver some surprisingly interesting lower gain results that actually fit in well in a continuum of the other tones i'm prone to...hence the eye on Synergy :erm: and i note the cleans on that iicp module are pretty nice :snax:
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Dandolin wrote:splablgrrbl, it's almost like NAMM or something :idk:
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new analog poly for folks who like that kind of things
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imagine finding out your son is your daughter & she's into noise music
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clean machine
throw in some o'those purple picks and it might be time for me to finally get Octron'd
or maybe i should finally buy the octave up card for the Zim that i've been shifting down my GAS list for like 7 years....
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damn delrin ones too. that sure aint worse than the usual tortex freebies

its pretty steep for an octaver tho but i DIG the octave+4th down..
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It's really not though. Compared to other analog octavers...seems most go from about $150-350. These are through hole, hand made, have a proprietary enclosure design, greater functionality...Seems to be THE option if you're in the market for such a thing. Don't get me wrong, I can't get one any time soon, but I don't think they're far off. This also means the older ones will hopefully hit <$250 range, which is :joy:
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