2020 Happenings! (BOSS Strikes Back)

[Sentient Twig]

omg I'm so upset that I made 400k in an hour and now people are reselling the pedal fuck I'm so morally outraged. i can't even, ya'll. Gotta just tap out for awhile, it's all too much that people resold the pedal I just made 400k from in an hour

Sounds like someone didn't get one

[UglyCasanova]

I'm just being a dick because I didn't get one either.

[Gone Fission]

Well, I got mine, but I just found out that my car has cancer. So it’s your lucky day: you’ll be able to get one in BST for the low, low price of $35,000.

[Kasrkin]

I have to imagine its a bummer to see your creations treated as a commodity when you just want people to use them to make fuzzy riffs. That being said it looks like only 2% of the bliss factories are/have been flipped for crazy prices. At this point I just want to know who these people are paying 1k for a fuzz factory variant (are they the next gen blues lawyer?).

I think everyone could have predicted the egregious flipping on the CBA but I am more surprised by the EQD x DBA thing also going for double the price considering even life pedals still come up for reasonable prices sometimes.

[qersty]

I have to imagine its a bummer to see your creations treated as a commodity when you just want people to use them to make fuzzy riffs. That being said it looks like only 2% of the bliss factories are/have been flipped for crazy prices. At this point I just want to know who these people are paying 1k for a fuzz factory variant (are they the next gen blues lawyer?).

I think everyone could have predicted the egregious flipping on the CBA but I am more surprised by the EQD x DBA thing also going for double the price considering even life pedals still come up for reasonable prices sometimes.

Never been to stompboxes.co.uk?

[Toropicana]

There's probably gonna be new EQDxDBA in the making too.

[Muse FTW]

Other forums are speculating that the new Boss pedal might be a phaser/univibe based on the other pictures their instagram has been posting lately...

[Pepe]

Not too bad, either.

[ole jason]

I'm on board with the Boss Univibe prediction but it's worth noting Roland/Boss has never really done the "hide a clue in the pictures" shit like Strymon. In the promo video leading up to the SY-1 they prominently featured an HM2 and RE20 haha

[cosmicevan]

There's probably gonna be new EQDxDBA in the making too.

Doubt that. EQD simply wrote "no" when people asked. Kinda like what CBA should have done.

I fall on the side of the fence of those who are pissed by the whole gonna make more thing. I'll start off by saying I'm not a flipper/scalper and in fact am fairly vocal about how anti I am to the practice. To me, it is the equivalent of ticket scalping and I just can't get behind scalping a ticket to my favorite band...I like to hook up other fans or more likely, hook up those who have looked out for me in the past. That's called community.

I was pretty vocal on CBAs social media about my disappointment with the make more comment. As someone with crazy GAS and a nice disposable income (which has amplified considerably during this pandemic due to the fact that I can't go to concerts or be social and I even sold my car in May) you can call me a pedal collector. I have more than 100 pedals and I enjoy playing with them. I have the collector bug. As a kid, I collected baseball cards, as I became an adult, I collected bourbon and chased the rare craft beer and these days I enjoy chasing pedals. People like me, we like the chase almost as much as the product itself. All that said, I'm not rich and due to my disgust for flippers/scalpers I won't pay the high prices...but I will compete with the scalpers on release day so that I can get my taste without having to pay the 2ndary market price.

We all knew this would sell out day of. Gen Loss sold out in about 8 hours and was a run of 1000 pedals and those sell for close to $1k on 2ndary (at least that's ask), so I, just like the other 999 people who sat at a computer when these went on sale knew this would sell out too and be flipped for profit. If you look at posts before the onsale, everyone is calling that this would have happened. Joel is a good guy...I'm not sure why he is playing the aw shucks card on the whole thing since he did nothing to prevent this. There was no limit of 1 pedal (and plenty of people admit to buying more than one), plus he sold these on reverb which is the service that enables this behavior. He could have done it through chase bliss or even asked reverb to make it 1 per person and not allow people to sell them at a markup for a certain period of time or asked for a cap on the markup, but he didn't. I'm not a sneaker head or watch person so I can't speak to those communities, but the beer/bourbon community dealt with this stuff years ago and the move is, just drop the product, make a small announcement or no announcement...don't tell how many...just let those who want it to buy it. The essays and other non-sense are just plain stupid, but there were many ways that this scenario could have been avoided.

Me being me though, I jumped at the chance to own a $1k pedal at retail cost...cause I like that kind of stuff and I know that I can always hook up another pedal nerd or trade something to level out the 2ndary market playing field (my real hope was to trade it for a gen loss). I traded an email or two with Joel (as he asked our opinion) and opted to return it to chase bliss for a full, to the penny, refund. This was before he announced the big return idea. While I tried to explain my opinion and quickly became the immoral enemy to anyone with a keyboard, I fielded tons of over cost offers and turned them all down. I know it's hard for people to understand, but not everything is about money or making a profit.

I used to chase Pappy Van Winkle bourbon bottles at MSRP, not because I wanted to sell them, but because I wanted to enjoy and share them without spending thousands of dollars. This was a case where the collectors, like me, got screwed. We got exploited by the company marketing us a limited thing-a-ma-jig and then we get exploited by the scalpers. Bear in mind that this was teased for weeks if not months, demos were made available as it went on sale, we all kinda knew what it was, but didn't see it fully until it was on sale and we had no idea how much it cost until it went on sale. All 1000 pedals were sold to people who were buying it no matter what it was.

Last point on this whole thing is that with shipping and tax, the pedal became $450, not $400. If it was sold via chase bliss, I'd have saved $50 due to free shipping and no tax. Many people overseas bought the pedal too because it was a buy it now or never see it in real life again kind of thing and they got slammed with crazy shipping fees that could have been fully avoided if they waited for the product to go mainline.

I sent it back to chase bliss today.

[harpies]

Pedal are meant to be played, not collected. The exclusivity club is crap.

[cantremember]

There's probably gonna be new EQDxDBA in the making too.

Doubt that. EQD simply wrote "no" when people asked. Kinda like what CBA should have done.

EQD/DBA also didn't do the build up that CBA did, or at least that I saw, and I don't think they're the type of companies to worry about "bad press" or whatever you wanna call this goofy backlash. DBA seems to always being doing some kinda limited or special pedal to not get hung up listening to people complain about missing one. EQD idk so much about as far as if they care or not to make more of a limited pedal even though they did do a bunch of those sunn pedals but its not Jamie running the social media platforms so that probably makes it easier for employees to say no about more.

[cosmicevan]

Pedal are meant to be played, not collected. The exclusivity club is crap.

At the risk of getting into more arguments about this, I'll entertain this with a reply.

Ofcourse pedals are meant to be played, and that's what I do with all of the pedals in my collection. Anything I collect that has a use, I use it for that. I don't collect varying colors of things (though I have fell victim to buying different covers of a magazine for a favorite band or what not), I get what I want and I hold it to enjoy and use when I want. When I was younger and collected baseball cards, those had no use other than to collect. Comics, however, I would read (and no I wasn't super careful with them, I'd enjoy them, but save them and trade etc). I never bought bourbon to just look at, I drank it. It's a lot more fun sharing that stuff with your friends when each pour didn't cost you $100+ and people are really appreciative of you sharing something that would cost them $100+ for an ounce. Maybe you are not someone who has a pedal in your possession that is not on your board? But I am as are a significant number of musicians. I love playing and exploring new things and making different combinations and getting a chance to try out everything, but when something exclusive comes around, it's buy it now or hold your peace.

If you have a problem with exclusivity, then you have a problem with everyone who bought a Bliss Factory and every company who pulls this nonsense. All 1000 pedals sold based on the fact that it was supposed to be exclusive. Sometimes it isn't about being in the exclusivity club as much as being able to try something out in general. I tried out the Bliss Factory and I thought it was a pretty cool pedal...not $450 cool, but cool none-the-less. If it was in fact limited to 1000, I'd be more inclined to hang onto it, but after playing through it, I have better fuzzes that will stay on my board and won't tie up that kind of money in a pedal that I won't use all the time unless there is something really special about it. If you don't understand, that's fine...it's my disfunction, not yours...but it's these companies that make it to be as such and I feel the anger is misguided when it is aimed at the buyers (even those looking to make money off of it - we all knew it would happen based on the marketing campaign). At the end of the day no one NEEDS a pedal, let alone a Bliss Factory, to be creative. It's sad that so many people had to come out and cry saying that they can't be creative unless they got a Bliss Factory and wah they missed out on the "exclusive club". Just like I had to put on my big boy pants and accept that hey I've been swindled...so should all the people who snoozed and losed on the pedal. If anyone got to their computer at the onsale date/time, it was a layup to get the pedal. I think of all the Pladask and Drolo and etc releases that I've had ripped from my cart mid checkout when it was less than a minute after on-sale time and this was nothing like that. Those situations are always oh well, I missed out...time to move on, cause I won't pay the scalpers and frankly, those pedals can be inspiring but none of them are needed to be creative or make music.

If chase bliss REALLY was anti all of this, they'd do more gen loss or ayahuasca in a different color to squash those scalpers...but I wouldn't hold your breath. Also, the bliss factory still is limited and exclusive as the next batch won't happen any time in the immediate future. I just take issue with a company exploiting the limited market to sell a product and then almost immediately after selling out, they pull back the reason why it sold out so fast. I'd be curious to hear from anyone who bought the pedal and claims that they didn't buy the pedal because it was limited. Even those who waited 20/30 mins to watch the demos all acted within that hour and pretty made an impulse purchase...because if we all waited, we'd save on shipping and taxes.

If you want to think I'm the scum of the world because I have the collector bug and wanted a chance at trying a Bliss Factory, then oh well, I'm the scum of the world.

[D.o.S.]

I mean it’s a fuzz factory if you want to use it as a tool just get a fuzz factory. Most punters don’t care about pedals, most clubs mic your shit anyway, &c.

Everything else is just for folks who want to buy shiny things. And shiny things are rad! I have bought many!

Gear speculators still suck though.

[MaxMaps]

There's probably gonna be new EQDxDBA in the making too.

Doubt that. EQD simply wrote "no" when people asked. Kinda like what CBA should have done.

I fall on the side of the fence of those who are pissed by the whole gonna make more thing. I'll start off by saying I'm not a flipper/scalper and in fact am fairly vocal about how anti I am to the practice. To me, it is the equivalent of ticket scalping and I just can't get behind scalping a ticket to my favorite band...I like to hook up other fans or more likely, hook up those who have looked out for me in the past. That's called community.

I was pretty vocal on CBAs social media about my disappointment with the make more comment. As someone with crazy GAS and a nice disposable income (which has amplified considerably during this pandemic due to the fact that I can't go to concerts or be social and I even sold my car in May) you can call me a pedal collector. I have more than 100 pedals and I enjoy playing with them. I have the collector bug. As a kid, I collected baseball cards, as I became an adult, I collected bourbon and chased the rare craft beer and these days I enjoy chasing pedals. People like me, we like the chase almost as much as the product itself. All that said, I'm not rich and due to my disgust for flippers/scalpers I won't pay the high prices...but I will compete with the scalpers on release day so that I can get my taste without having to pay the 2ndary market price.

We all knew this would sell out day of. Gen Loss sold out in about 8 hours and was a run of 1000 pedals and those sell for close to $1k on 2ndary (at least that's ask), so I, just like the other 999 people who sat at a computer when these went on sale knew this would sell out too and be flipped for profit. If you look at posts before the onsale, everyone is calling that this would have happened. Joel is a good guy...I'm not sure why he is playing the aw shucks card on the whole thing since he did nothing to prevent this. There was no limit of 1 pedal (and plenty of people admit to buying more than one), plus he sold these on reverb which is the service that enables this behavior. He could have done it through chase bliss or even asked reverb to make it 1 per person and not allow people to sell them at a markup for a certain period of time or asked for a cap on the markup, but he didn't. I'm not a sneaker head or watch person so I can't speak to those communities, but the beer/bourbon community dealt with this stuff years ago and the move is, just drop the product, make a small announcement or no announcement...don't tell how many...just let those who want it to buy it. The essays and other non-sense are just plain stupid, but there were many ways that this scenario could have been avoided.

Me being me though, I jumped at the chance to own a $1k pedal at retail cost...cause I like that kind of stuff and I know that I can always hook up another pedal nerd or trade something to level out the 2ndary market playing field (my real hope was to trade it for a gen loss). I traded an email or two with Joel (as he asked our opinion) and opted to return it to chase bliss for a full, to the penny, refund. This was before he announced the big return idea. While I tried to explain my opinion and quickly became the immoral enemy to anyone with a keyboard, I fielded tons of over cost offers and turned them all down. I know it's hard for people to understand, but not everything is about money or making a profit.

I used to chase Pappy Van Winkle bourbon bottles at MSRP, not because I wanted to sell them, but because I wanted to enjoy and share them without spending thousands of dollars. This was a case where the collectors, like me, got screwed. We got exploited by the company marketing us a limited thing-a-ma-jig and then we get exploited by the scalpers. Bear in mind that this was teased for weeks if not months, demos were made available as it went on sale, we all kinda knew what it was, but didn't see it fully until it was on sale and we had no idea how much it cost until it went on sale. All 1000 pedals were sold to people who were buying it no matter what it was.

Last point on this whole thing is that with shipping and tax, the pedal became $450, not $400. If it was sold via chase bliss, I'd have saved $50 due to free shipping and no tax. Many people overseas bought the pedal too because it was a buy it now or never see it in real life again kind of thing and they got slammed with crazy shipping fees that could have been fully avoided if they waited for the product to go mainline.

I sent it back to chase bliss today.

Absolutely love this response - it's how I feel getting back into playing music. And as you said before there is nothing wrong with having something exclusive but its the manner in which its presented and the hype behind it. The CBA stuff to me looks really cool but compared to other options out there its not cool enough to me to justify its hype / price. Its the mostly the crowd behind it that really turns me off, nothing worse than completion with someone trying to hose you over for extra money that you don't need to spend.

I applaud CBA for taking the step and at least acknowledge what's going on but as you said, I think he knew what he was getting into when this was posted on Reverb.