whoismarykelly wrote:Don’t get a Looperlative. Get an EDP+.
Would be worth noting some criticisms of the Looperlative. Or praises of the EDP.
EDP is an ultra rad piece of gear. If anyone is inclined to go deep on info then check YouTube for videos of Andre LaFosse, he is a guru for this device. Otherwise I would say that it alone is inspiring to play. Functions like Insert and Replace are rare in other loopers. And the Multiply function along with loop windowing can allow loops to transform over time into new pieces.
whoismarykelly wrote:Don’t get a Looperlative. Get an EDP+.
Would be worth noting some criticisms of the Looperlative. Or praises of the EDP.
EDP is an ultra rad piece of gear. If anyone is inclined to go deep on info then check YouTube for videos of Andre LaFosse, he is a guru for this device. Otherwise I would say that it alone is inspiring to play. Functions like Insert and Replace are rare in other loopers. And the Multiply function along with loop windowing can allow loops to transform over time into new pieces.
Circular Labs Mobius was inspired by the EDP+ and coincidentally, those are the functions I am just starting to discover. Awesome stuff!
whoismarykelly wrote:Don’t get a Looperlative. Get an EDP+.
Would be worth noting some criticisms of the Looperlative. Or praises of the EDP.
Looperlative criticisms:
Level adjustments are internal trimpots so you have to disassemble the unit if it clips or has a level issue.
The MIDI implementation is a huge pain in the butt. The EDP is super easy to set up for MIDI but if you use a modern MIDI controller that allows you to program switches for everything you want there won't be any framework for the Looperlative to look for when it tries MIDI learn. If you use a generic controller that only sends PCs on each switch and has them pre-programmed then this won't be an issue but that kind of controller is a featureless dinosaur nowadays. After it took a while to figure this problem out I had to program everything twice - once to make up a bunch of values to set in my controller and then again to program the Looperlative to see those values. The EDP you can just program what the implementation table says.
The things I thought would be cool features on the Looperlative like shuffle are destructive. Once they are done you cant undo them. And they also aren't really that cool. EDP you can undo anything you've done.
There just isn't that much great experimental stuff in the Looperlative. Its fine if you want a bunch of tracks and stuff like that but most people doing that type of looping nowadays are using software loopers. A piece of hardware is pretty outdated for that stuff in 2020.
For all the hype about this being a higher fidelity better quality unit I don't believe it. Mine added a ton of hum to my signal that was present even when I wasn't using it.
These cost about $1000 new and the going rate on the used market for mint condition units is consistently less than half that. That should be a very good indicator that it's not all that great of a device.
Imho the midi-learn in the looperlative was super easy to use!
Press a button on your midi footcontroller, program the function the way you want/need for that mido cc on the LP1, then save. Done!
I used a rfx midiwizard with it. I had sometimes issues with the rfx actually, times to times I had to factory reset the midi-footcontroller!
But I must agree the audio-quality in the older unit was very good, but not so pristine and high-endish as on a Pigtronix Infinity.
Also when I tried to install the gen. B firmware on my unit I had the feeling my LP1 had a lot less headroom then with the old 1.39 firmware....
gila_crisis wrote:Imho the midi-learn in the looperlative was super easy to use!
Press a button on your midi footcontroller, program the function the way you want/need for that mido cc on the LP1, then save. Done!
I used a rfx midiwizard with it. I had sometimes issues with the rfx actually, times to times I had to factory reset the midi-footcontroller!
The Midi Wizard is the type of featureless dinosaur controller I'm talking about. Any midi device should have an implementation table that tells you what control message does what. It ensures you can accurately set things up to work properly. LP1 does not have this because it relies on manually assigning every function based on what the controller sends. If your controller isn't sending anything when you press a button then you have to go in and add a dummy message to give the LP1 something to read. That's a completely backwards means of operating and isn't really obvious if you have a controller from a current generation company like RJM.
whoismarykelly wrote:Don’t get a Looperlative. Get an EDP+.
Would be worth noting some criticisms of the Looperlative. Or praises of the EDP.
Looperlative criticisms:
Level adjustments are internal trimpots so you have to disassemble the unit if it clips or has a level issue.
The MIDI implementation is a huge pain in the butt. The EDP is super easy to set up for MIDI but if you use a modern MIDI controller that allows you to program switches for everything you want there won't be any framework for the Looperlative to look for when it tries MIDI learn. If you use a generic controller that only sends PCs on each switch and has them pre-programmed then this won't be an issue but that kind of controller is a featureless dinosaur nowadays. After it took a while to figure this problem out I had to program everything twice - once to make up a bunch of values to set in my controller and then again to program the Looperlative to see those values. The EDP you can just program what the implementation table says.
The things I thought would be cool features on the Looperlative like shuffle are destructive. Once they are done you cant undo them. And they also aren't really that cool. EDP you can undo anything you've done.
There just isn't that much great experimental stuff in the Looperlative. Its fine if you want a bunch of tracks and stuff like that but most people doing that type of looping nowadays are using software loopers. A piece of hardware is pretty outdated for that stuff in 2020.
For all the hype about this being a higher fidelity better quality unit I don't believe it. Mine added a ton of hum to my signal that was present even when I wasn't using it.
These cost about $1000 new and the going rate on the used market for mint condition units is consistently less than half that. That should be a very good indicator that it's not all that great of a device.
Completely fair assessment. Thanks for the opinions. The Looperlative is such a small production and not commonly discussed in the places I frequent. The LP2 came out and had so many issues that I lost a lot of faith in brand. I know it is basically a one-man operation now.
codetocontra wrote:Completely fair assessment. Thanks for the opinions. The Looperlative is such a small production and not commonly discussed in the places I frequent. The LP2 came out and had so many issues that I lost a lot of faith in brand. I know it is basically a one-man operation now.
It was always a one man businees. 2 years ago I meet Bob Amstadt in california, at this live looping festival in Santa Cruz. I wanted to talk with him after his show, but he was already gone when I search for him... and few friends who were beta tester for the LP2 were really sad, how things went with that unit.
You most also know that Bob is also working full time as an IT if I remember well, so that's also why for a very long time the Looperlative brand seamed to be dead.
Finally EHX released the 1440!
I read the manual and basically it has all the features already found in the 720 (yey!!! ), plus these:
- feedback/loop-decay on overdub (controlled via Overdub knob)
- tempo knob lets you manually speed up/down the loop
- midi in for ext clock (5 pin midi jack)
- retriggered loop start (if assigned to the stop/fx footswitch)
- 20 loop memory banks (editable with a computer program, means you can import/export your loops per USB, and of course firmware update are possible too!)
I think maybe when it's available here in Europe, I'll give it a try. So on paper sounds like a "one loop Pigtronix Infinity".
gila_crisis wrote:Finally EHX released the 1440!
I read the manual and basically it has all the features already found in the 720 (yey!!! ), plus these:
- feedback/loop-decay on overdub (controlled via Overdub knob)
- tempo knob lets you manually speed up/down the loop
- midi in for ext clock (5 pin midi jack)
- retriggered loop start (if assigned to the stop/fx footswitch)
- 20 loop memory banks (editable with a computer program, means you can import/export your loops per USB, and of course firmware update are possible too!)
I think maybe when it's available here in Europe, I'll give it a try. So on paper sounds like a "one loop Pigtronix Infinity".
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I am very excited about 1440, I don't need it at the moment but hypothetically it's close enough on all 3 fronts that I have 3 loopers for ...
home: RC-3 for songwriting and storage, 1440 has plenty time and 20 storage slots so I could deal.
live: DD-500 dedicated retrigger* and clear switch, looks like the 1440 you have to hold stop to clear ... that works I could deal with.
freak: CBA blooper... definitely outmatched on the freak front but the 1440 has the decay feature alone brings a lot of texture in my opinion, the question is if the 1440 can overdub after applying tempo change etc, that could get really freaky!
*I find retrigger is a highly useful feature for practical live looping with a band
another thing I just wanted to add, I really like performance looping with the DD-500, the power situation is very quiet. You can even get by running it on daisy chain with a dirt pedal the noise is so minimal, whereas the RC-3 seems to add all this dubstep shit into your signal no matter what you do.
gila_crisis wrote:Finally EHX released the 1440!
I read the manual and basically it has all the features already found in the 720 (yey!!! ), plus these:
- feedback/loop-decay on overdub (controlled via Overdub knob)
- tempo knob lets you manually speed up/down the loop
- midi in for ext clock (5 pin midi jack)
- retriggered loop start (if assigned to the stop/fx footswitch)
- 20 loop memory banks (editable with a computer program, means you can import/export your loops per USB, and of course firmware update are possible too!)
I think maybe when it's available here in Europe, I'll give it a try. So on paper sounds like a "one loop Pigtronix Infinity".
I am very excited about 1440, I don't need it at the moment but hypothetically it's close enough on all 3 fronts that I have 3 loopers for ...
home: RC-3 for songwriting and storage, 1440 has plenty time and 20 storage slots so I could deal.
live: DD-500 dedicated retrigger* and clear switch, looks like the 1440 you have to hold stop to clear ... that works I could deal with.
freak: CBA blooper... definitely outmatched on the freak front but the 1440 has the decay feature alone brings a lot of texture in my opinion, the question is if the 1440 can overdub after applying tempo change etc, that could get really freaky!
*I find retrigger is a highly useful feature for practical live looping with a band
another thing I just wanted to add, I really like performance looping with the DD-500, the power situation is very quiet. You can even get by running it on daisy chain with a dirt pedal the noise is so minimal, whereas the RC-3 seems to add all this dubstep shit into your signal no matter what you do.
Does the RC-10R have re-trigger? I always found the DD-500 looper to be rock solid but wish I could store loops. I'm gonna have to do some reading on the RC-10-R. Even if it's with a third switch connected...
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