01010111 wrote:So, a pedal that uses some kind of machine algorithm to listen to what you’re playing and mathematically find the beat is simpler than adding a MIDI sync option to a simple looper?
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Its explicitly designed to not require a fixed midi clock or require the band to play to a click. I wonder if it is time stretching or compressing the loops in a very marginal way.
It only works if the band can ignore the timing of the loop, the person who’s controlling the loop can follow the band and ignore the loop timing, and the person controlling the looper never stops playing so the loop is always in sync
That sounds much more complicated than syncing with an external midi clock to me
Have you ever looped with a band? The things you're saying have to be done consciously are the things that naturally happen when people play music together. Tempos drift naturally. Our hearing tends to focus on a single reference rather than struggling to decide between a looper and a live drummer. If this works it would just make the looper part a non-issue. If you practice and are well-versed in using loopers anyway then the pedal shouldn't have to do that much work.
Whenever I’ve used a looper with other people, we end up ignoring looper because it’s too difficult to keep everyone on tempo with the looper.
I guess this has a built-in mic? So, I guess it’ll keep changing the tempo even if you’re not playing. Though, I guess you’re fucked if the audience tries to clap along
If this pedal works as advertised it would adjust so the looper doesn't get off. I spent a lot of years looping in bands and it just takes practice and strategy. Loop the melody and play the rhythm part live. Loop really short parts so its easier to restart them and keep them on time. So on and so forth.
As for the clapping part, that kind of gets to the block our brains have on being able to hear anything objectively when we are playing. You can never hear the whole mix as the audience member can and even if you could you probably wouldn't notice if the tempo goes up and down in the moment. A few dozen ms of ebb and flow isn't noticeable when people are clapping big note values.
I used a looper live without quantizing and without presets for eight years.
If you're the guy using the looper, it's up to you to keep it on time, no matter what happens.
And like WhoIsMaryKelly said, there's quite a few things you can do to avoid the normal pitfalls of fucking it up through writing and arrangement.
Plus our drummer was very good about practicing songs on his own with a click, just so when he was playing it naturally, it actually felt correct.
Having a pedal quantize something for you can almost create as many problems as it's supposed to solve, I've found. I'd rather just be able to choose when to re-adjust myself, but then, I was never doing anything other than playing guitar; singing, keys, whatever...
Yeah the only time I really have needed a looper with MIDI sync is when playing to something non-human like a drum machine. Then you need it, but otherwise it's just sort of a matter of choosing the right parts and/or adjusting.
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If you're the guy using the looper, it's up to you to keep it on time, no matter what happens.
tru. whenever we play our couple of songs with loops I'm always like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK DID I DO IT RIIIIIIGHT as i press down; sometimes the timing is off and the wall of sound is off balance with our riffs but it kind of adds some extra 'DYNAMIC' if you know what I mean he he
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The Reese Lightning and Witch Shifter both were at ILFMW. I was impressed with my limited time with both. Note that I am pretty jaded with pedals lately.
