The controversial gear thread

[D.o.S.]

D I G I T A L

[AlexGlassLungs]

If my empress delay isn’t running from isolated power the tap stops working. Same with the phaser, the lights start to flash and it won’t stay on... I’m very familiar with how all of this works as far as operating goes. Most companies recommend isolated power over daisy chaining, you simply have more reliable operation or the y may run with cleaner headroom, for example if you have a dying battery your fuzz with be more sputtery same with power if you have cleaner more solid power that pedal will operate cleaner.

[worra]

Half of those pedals are digital.

They’re digitally controlled, not digital

I'm sorry, this is just incorrect.

[Mudfuzz]

For anyone joining us at this point in our drivetime commute down the Highway of "digital" tone hell and crushing effects knowledge, here are some of the greatest hits:

maybe asking why you put a pedal before another one is too personal or why you don’t care if your dry signal is effected by digital, maybe some of you don’t hear that or maybe it’s that you don’t care enough to hear it and I’m not bashing that either...

I have digital pedals I play with, I’m not saying digital is bad either, for “sweet toanz” I can hear it and personally don’t like it. I don’t play it with my band or record with it, I have it for fun, digital pedals can do a lot analog can’t do.

If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp, on top of that the digital repeats and clarity of a delay for example sound too perfect, clear, and don’t have feel to them, an an analog delay has body and depth to it and has flaws that feel natural. It’s more to it than “I can hear this is digital”. There is a whole feel to the difference in the pedal.

With all the digital gear you use you won’t be feeling much of anything :-/

Hahaha but no seriously, it’s almost equivalent to blasting a ton of compression vs no compression. Something you won’t experience if you done try it

2) Your analog/digital pedal mash-ups- Something I see a lot of is the flaunting of analog or analog signal path pedals. I for one am a huge fan of these types of pedals and quality builds. For slight background on me, I was a straight signal path kinda guitar player with no pedals for a long time and always wanted a great tone from my amp and still do. I’ve always been huge on my amps and Guitar pickups so adding pedals I needed ones that conserved my tone... so for me I won’t put digital pedals on my board. I play with hand wound pickups into anpoint to point I guitar head. I have pedals with PCB and obv you need to but none of them are digital, I don’t want my analog signal path being effected.

my question is for the people spending a ton of money on their gear, who have spent thousands of dollars on your Guitar Amps pushing digital pedals into them. Why? Why would you put so much into your direct signal and distort it with digital effects? Again this isn’t me calling you out, it’s me simply asking your reasoning behind this. Also to add onto this, besides digital pedals I see a lot of “lesser quality brands” on pedalboards with really amazing pedals on them. Besides the function of what it’s doing, can you not hear the lesser quality of the product, say EHX for example... ok go!

At this point the square wave forms of digital are so small I can’t tell but I can tell how they react with my other pedals and my amp and most of all my signal

Ok so if there is no deference why did Keely make mods to the Line 6 Pedals? Why do brands like Diamond, Empress, and Chase Bliss make it so a digital path is blended into your analog path instead of just going straight into a digital circuit? You know why? Because going stight into a digital circuit and back out effects your analog signal... no one would go through the trouble of those designs if it didn’t

Reading this feels like I have molerats chewing on my brain. it's really that bad.

[worra]

If my empress delay isn’t running from isolated power the tap stops working. Same with the phaser, the lights start to flash and it won’t stay on... I’m very familiar with how all of this works as far as operating goes. Most companies recommend isolated power over daisy chaining, you simply have more reliable operation or the y may run with cleaner headroom, for example if you have a dying battery your fuzz with be more sputtery same with power if you have cleaner more solid power that pedal will operate cleaner.

This sounds like you're just not meeting the power draw requirements for those pedals. The digital empress pedals typically require about 300mA.

[AlexGlassLungs]

For anyone joining us at this point in our drivetime commute down the Highway of "digital" tone hell and crushing effects knowledge, here are some of the greatest hits:

maybe asking why you put a pedal before another one is too personal or why you don’t care if your dry signal is effected by digital, maybe some of you don’t hear that or maybe it’s that you don’t care enough to hear it and I’m not bashing that either...

I have digital pedals I play with, I’m not saying digital is bad either, for “sweet toanz” I can hear it and personally don’t like it. I don’t play it with my band or record with it, I have it for fun, digital pedals can do a lot analog can’t do.

If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp, on top of that the digital repeats and clarity of a delay for example sound too perfect, clear, and don’t have feel to them, an an analog delay has body and depth to it and has flaws that feel natural. It’s more to it than “I can hear this is digital”. There is a whole feel to the difference in the pedal.

With all the digital gear you use you won’t be feeling much of anything :-/

Hahaha but no seriously, it’s almost equivalent to blasting a ton of compression vs no compression. Something you won’t experience if you done try it

2) Your analog/digital pedal mash-ups- Something I see a lot of is the flaunting of analog or analog signal path pedals. I for one am a huge fan of these types of pedals and quality builds. For slight background on me, I was a straight signal path kinda guitar player with no pedals for a long time and always wanted a great tone from my amp and still do. I’ve always been huge on my amps and Guitar pickups so adding pedals I needed ones that conserved my tone... so for me I won’t put digital pedals on my board. I play with hand wound pickups into anpoint to point I guitar head. I have pedals with PCB and obv you need to but none of them are digital, I don’t want my analog signal path being effected.

my question is for the people spending a ton of money on their gear, who have spent thousands of dollars on your Guitar Amps pushing digital pedals into them. Why? Why would you put so much into your direct signal and distort it with digital effects? Again this isn’t me calling you out, it’s me simply asking your reasoning behind this. Also to add onto this, besides digital pedals I see a lot of “lesser quality brands” on pedalboards with really amazing pedals on them. Besides the function of what it’s doing, can you not hear the lesser quality of the product, say EHX for example... ok go!

At this point the square wave forms of digital are so small I can’t tell but I can tell how they react with my other pedals and my amp and most of all my signal

Ok so if there is no deference why did Keely make mods to the Line 6 Pedals? Why do brands like Diamond, Empress, and Chase Bliss make it so a digital path is blended into your analog path instead of just going straight into a digital circuit? You know why? Because going stight into a digital circuit and back out effects your analog signal... no one would go through the trouble of those designs if it didn’t

All stuff you have said I’m “wrong” about but have never posted your “vast array of knowledge” to correct or debate in anyway. All I’m getting from you is “duh, you don’t know things, duhhhhh I know a lot, duhhhh”

[D.o.S.]

FWIW dude your band is fine and you have good taste in gear... but you're living out The Princess Bridge scene where you keep using a word and you don't seem to know what it means.

As to what I've corrected you on already:

Signal bleed is a bypass issue, not an analogue/digital issue.

You can start there.

[AlexGlassLungs]

Half of those pedals are digital.

They’re digitally controlled, not digital

I'm sorry, this is just incorrect.

Which is fully digital, no analog path?

[actual]

You're so full of it man. You spew randomass semi-right mostly wrong "knowledge" but when asked to back up your shit, you say you're too tired.

Your pedals might have an analog dry-path, but the effect itself is digital.

[tremolo3]

whoa!

TL;DR anyone? please

[D.o.S.]

whoa!

TL;DR anyone? please

D I G I T A L

[AlexGlassLungs]

FWIW dude your band is fine and you have good taste in gear... but you're living out The Princess Bridge scene where you keep using a word and you don't seem to know what it means.

As to what I've corrected you on already:

Signal bleed is a bypass issue, not an analogue/digital issue.

You can start there.

I never once referred to signal bleed I said I can tell when a buffered pedal is in my chain... you’re clearly misinterpreting what I’m saying

[AlexGlassLungs]

You're so full of it man. You spew randomass semi-right mostly wrong "knowledge" but when asked to back up your shit, you say you're too tired.

Your pedals might have an analog dry-path, but the effect itself is digital.

We’ve gone over that, this whole digital thing is about a fully digital pedal not digital/ analog hybrid pedals that conserve your analog path

[comesect2.0]

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[D.o.S.]

No? As has been said, ad nauseum at this point, whether a pedal is digital or analogue has nothing to do with the bypass of the pedal, or whether it's buffered or not (let alone how).

So I will say again: you haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.