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[lordgalvar]

Just to note: outside of diy, the alternative ways to do it I described will probably be more expensive than the sonicsmith thing...it's all a trade off. If basic synth guitar sounds are what you're after, it might not be bad (and sorry Knobs).

[yeatsvisitslincoln]

Could you spectrum analyze (FFTs maybe?) and just take the largest peak as your root note?

From a modular perspective, could you not just get something like a Disting to do pitch tracking from a guitar? And then go crazy however you want?

[lordgalvar]

That's why I mentioned it above haha. I haven't really tried it in a real world application though (was just resetting up my little eurorack to test it versus a pll and sync with/without pulse edge sharpening...I should probably throw a bandpass on there too...don't think I have one though unless you count the boogie). The tracking might be slower. Which, I guess, if your are after wild synth tones on guitar, you'd have to assume some trade-off.

But disting + osc + case + filter + env +interface is going to be at least 600 (more like 800 +)

[yeatsvisitslincoln]

Fair, fair. I didn't think of it as expensive just given that I'm already planning on spending the money on a setup like that anyways. Haha.

[lordgalvar]

I'm going to test disting at some point. Got sidetracked making the envelope delays and junk.

I still think the Roland gk setup is probably the best with a good midi convertor that splits chords into CV channels.

[MrNovember]

Neat. I would try either of those out in my set-up. Not really for guitar synth. More so just for weird stuff like the Field Kit. But yeah, at that price, I think I'd just buy a new synth

[yeatsvisitslincoln]

Ironically, at this price point, they should make eurorack modules. No one would bat an eye at the price.

[Jwar]

So is there anything in a pedal format that does what this does? I saw you guys saying stuff about the PLL, but that thing sounds nothing like the PLL circuit's I've tried. Never tried the original and don't intend on doing so. I like the sounds of filters the most. Granted I have limited knowledge when it comes to non pedal form shit.

[lordgalvar]

PLL is just a way for one oscillator to track another. You can tack a filter onto one if you want (and an envelope follower/trigger envelope generator for filter stuff). You've just gotta expect some lag and some glitches (which filtering out harmonics will help with).

The PLL will spit out a square/pulse based on the phase of an incoming oscillator like guitar. You just need something to change that waveshaper from square to something (or sync another full on oscillator to that). Use a vca to gate based on envelope and stuff (or an LPG for a simpler design).

I can't think of any all in one kind of design though. 4046-m comes close with it's mod potential (and ring mod waveshaping), but no filter....you could always add one after though. The CV controls won't really be there either.

[yeatsvisitslincoln]

I mean, you could just get a nice square wave fuzz, a WMD Protostar, a ring mod, and a tremolo for about the same price and get close? Or just start a modular synth...

I think as lordgalvar said, it's not doing anything particularly weird to the guitar signal.

[lordgalvar]

Also, ms-20 has a glitchy guitar/instrument interface. I'm sure if you make the incoming signal more simple (like a wah maybe or a bandpass filter with a pedal interface) you could improve it's performance and get a heck of a lot more synth.

[Jwar]

I have the 4046 and just got a Guyatone Ultron. It has HP, BP, LP and Notch filters. You think I could get pretty far with that?

We have so derailed this thread. LOL

[yeatsvisitslincoln]

Hey, knobs did the 4046-M. Tooooootally on topic.

4046-M -> (Envelope) Filter -> Flanger is just

[lordgalvar]

Yeah, sorry about the derail. Haha.

I think 4046-m and that guyatone seems like it could be magic man. I've always wanted one of those guyatone and the 4046-m impressed the heck out of me at namm with its tracking. (Still waiting on mine)

[oldangelmidnight]

Anyone?