After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Jwar]

What's up with McCain?

“He’s a war hero because he was captured, I like people who weren’t captured.” -Donald Trump

[Lurker13]

Please cite the hyperbole and misinformation.

No problem.

To believe that humans are having a catastrophic effect on the course of the climate, you have to believe that 100 years of data is somehow worthy of scientific significance in a climate system that is 4.5 billion years old,...

Of course we are, because the Industrial Revolution began only about 200 years ago. Since then, we have been actively altering the planet's surface and atmosphere, and at an increasing rate as industrialization has spread.

...of which the data was collected with disparate tools and methodologies, none of which are standardized to each other,...

They don't need to be standardized, as long as the measurements achieve acceptable levels of accuracy and precision. When scientists publish, they include their methodology so it can be reviewed and their experiments reproduced. If their experimental methods are not acceptable, they ususally won't even pass peer review to get published.

...which are plugged into subjective mathematical equations,...

Mathematical equations are not subjective, they are empirical. Science is an empirical process, not a subjective one.

...of which the use of has provided climate scientists with thousands of models, that have an astounding 100% failure rate....

I see no evidence to support your claim. In fact, it sounds absurd, so please supply some proof.

...The guy who started AGW- Dr. Roger Revelle, made it his mission in the last 10 years of his life to notify the public his work had been hijacked by politicians and agendas.

Not according to this bio of him. In fact, his name was fraudulently used on a paper published by a climate change denier after he died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Revelle

We are at a point in the climates history where CO2 levels have almost never been lower than it is today. Plants are pretty much in a CO2 famine right now. Historical average is more like 2500ppm. There is no place for CO2 levels to go but up. We do not have any sort of data to suggest that the rise in CO2 levels right now is special due to human CO2 production. There is no scientific evidence that can say that the rise is in fact unique, to have done that, we would need standardized testing apparatus at millions of points across the globe for millions of years.

Yet again, completely wrong. Atmospheric CO2 levels are higher than they have been in the last 400,000 years. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

[Lurker13]

What's up with McCain?

We need to add an upper age limit to the Constitution for people in the Federal government. Seriously.

[popvulture]

Yeah I'd also suggest that when you're fucking EIGHTY, you should maybe be enjoying your twilight years instead of clinging to power.

[Chankgeez]

Ha. Age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. It's more about mental competence. Not everybody ages equally. Some people lose their faculties much earlier than others.

Also, I read this article today:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change

I especially found this paragraph interesting:

"I’ve heard from multiple differing views on this very topic while preparing this post. From my research and experience in climate science as well as in many other areas of research where risk analysis and evidence are weighed, we should assume that human-caused warming is having an effect. In fact, is has to be having some effect. We can measure the incredible amount of heat that is being stored in the oceans as well as the increase in temperatures that have occurred over the Western Antarctica and changes to the ocean currents in the region – there must be some implications to the health of the ice. The real question, in my mind, is how much of the effect is humans? That is something a lot more research will be required for answering."

Even if there's just a small chance that humans are effecting climate change, doesn't it make sense to do as much as we possibly can to prevent it?

[Lurker13]

Yeah I'd also suggest that when you're fucking EIGHTY, you should maybe be enjoying your twilight years instead of clinging to power.

Exactly!

[Lurker13]

Ha. Age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. It's more about mental competence. Not everybody ages equally. Some people lose their faculties much earlier than others.

That's true, actually, but the other choices are 1) have mentally incompetent people with their hands on the levers of national power, or 2) require competency tests, which could just lead to more corruption ("Donald Trump is the healthiest president ever elected").

Also, I read this article today:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change

I especially found this paragraph interesting:

"I’ve heard from multiple differing views on this very topic while preparing this post. From my research and experience in climate science as well as in many other areas of research where risk analysis and evidence are weighed, we should assume that human-caused warming is having an effect. In fact, is has to be having some effect. We can measure the incredible amount of heat that is being stored in the oceans as well as the increase in temperatures that have occurred over the Western Antarctica and changes to the ocean currents in the region – there must be some implications to the health of the ice. The real question, in my mind, is how much of the effect is humans? That is something a lot more research will be required for answering."

Even if there's just a small chance that humans are effecting climate change, doesn't it make sense to do as much as we possibly can to prevent it?

That was a good read, and your conclusion is spot on. I do believe our altering of the planet is contributing to global warming (just in case anyone couldn't tell what my position is because I'm so vague), but either way, we need to do whatever we can to try to end and reverse the trend.

[jrfox92]

Ha. Age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. It's more about mental competence. Not everybody ages equally. Some people lose their faculties much earlier than others.

Yeah, but it's a pretty solid rule of thumb that anyone over the age of ~70 probably shouldn't be involved in affecting the laws that govern 321.4 million people.

[Chankgeez]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jsUavVPjI[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jsUavVPjI

[comesect2.0]

Mathematical equations are not subjective, they are empirical. Science is an empirical process, not a subjective one.

When findings were presented on how existence can be explained threw math, it was the same as art...it makes
sense to us because we are apart of it, so it works for us..meaning no matter how on point an equation might be or how impressive someone's work is, it only might be accurate because we (species) formulated it...which only means that all science is far behind what lucky sense pushed a bushman to find threw experience, it's all babble on the road of someone's career...might be better these days tell our kids faireys are real and goblins will getcha if ya dont watch out!

[Chankgeez]

… far behind what lucky sense pushed a bushman to find threw experience

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js5ngbC6zAk[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js5ngbC6zAk

[comesect2.0]

Nice, what fuzz/od/distortion do they use ^? Parts remind me of sonny sharrok on the spaceghost coast to coast sound track...

[Chankgeez]

No idea, but I really like those guys. Don't know if you saw this, but they're obviously big Sharrock fans:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-P1eFq1T0[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-P1eFq1T0

[Chankgeez]

I think our next president should be someone who's taken a vow of poverty.

[jrfox92]

I think our next president should be someone who's taken a vow of poverty.

So much for Bernie2020.