After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[snipelfritz]

#notallanarchists

and oof on that brexy post. Hmmm, gonna have to reconsider my Macho Man Randy Savage write-in.

[psychic vampire.]

I don't know a single anarchist who actually believes that.

[jrfox92]

Lots of protest voting talk in this thread so this probably fits in quite nicely here.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/ ... ng-brexit/

On the BBC, a voter named as Adam told Victoria Derbyshire: “I didn’t think that was going to happen.

“My vote – I didn’t think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain.”

He added: “The David Cameron resignation has blown me away to be honest. I think the period of uncertainty we’re going to have for the next few months has been magnified, so I’m quite worried.”
‘Very disappointed’

On ITV, a voter named Mandy in Manchester airport said: “I was very disappointed about the result, even though I voted to leave, this morning I woke up and the reality did actually hit me.

“But if I had the opportunity to vote again, it would be to stay.”

She blamed “the pressure of being told” how to vote by both sides.

A Twitter user named Matt Stephens, who said he is a 30-year-old chartered accountant, revealed that he and his wife voted Leave because they thought the “establishment would take notice” – but they now feel a “twinge of guilt”.

Don't be a fucking dipshit. Don't vote for Gary Johnson. Don't vote for the fucking green party. Fuck you.

Yeeeeah, but there's a difference between looking at two choices and saying "I'm going with a third" and looking at two choices and saying "hey, I'll vote for the option I don't actually support because hurr durr my vote doesn't matter."
Comparing voting for government representatives and leaders to voting to leave a union is just straight bullshit.

[D.o.S.]

The difference between a protest vote for a candidate who has no actual shot at winning and the protest votes to leave is, actually, nil. For the most famous example, see: Nadar, Ralph. Thanks for playing, though.

I have spent the better part of six years under Paul LePage because the people who thought he was bad (a 61% majority) couldn't get their shit together. I refuse to entertain the idea of living under Trump in similar circumstances. Fuck. That.

[Chankgeez]

The difference between a protest vote for a candidate who has no actual shot at winning and the protest votes to leave is, actually, nil. For the most famous example, see: Nadar, Ralph. Thanks for playing, though.

Are you talking about Ralph Nader?

[D.o.S.]

Unsafe in any election.

[jrfox92]

I refuse to entertain the idea of living under Trump in similar circumstances. Fuck. That.

You say that like more Democrats will go third party than Republicans.
It happened once and I have serious doubts it'll happen again.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have had a significant portion of their potential voters go third party over the last two elections.

Also, I'd still argue about the difference being nil.
One example involves neither side getting their vote because they have a problem with both sides while the other example involves that vote going to one side for shits and giggles.
You're also assuming those who would vote for Johnson/Stein wouldn't vote for Trump if forced to decide between him and Clinton.

[D.o.S.]

Yeah I guess a presumption of intelligence is a bad move on my part. Apologies.

[jrfox92]

Yeah, never assume intelligence when it comes to voters.
I mean, come on. We've already seen what the future holds.

[D.o.S.]

... too soon?

But yeah, obviously some/a lot of what I'm writing is just anger based out of what's transpiring/transpired. Vote for whoever you want.

[snipelfritz]

DoS is our little sassburger.

So how much is it the fault of Maine's Democratic Party that they haven't put forward a palatable candidate and how much is it the fault of left leaning voters for not compromising and mobilizing for an uninteresting candidate? And how much is it the responsibility of the party to read the voter's disinterest and how can voters telegraph that disinterest en masse?

I can empathize having to live under a shitty republican governor (in fact I could probably win a "my governor is worse that your governor" contest) but I tend to blame my state's democratic party for failing to support and sufficiently push a progressive agenda/candidates.

I don't know a single anarchist who actually believes that.

Well, the unifying concept behind anarchism is that our systems cannot truly be remade within their own constraints which in practice assumes that revolution occurs within a vacuum something with which history strongly disagrees. Displacing power requires power.

I don't remember how the discussion got to this point...

[lordgalvar]

The sum and the difference can sometimes be greater than the actual.

[Chankgeez]

The sum and the difference can sometimes be greater than the actual.

Are you sure that isn't Lao Tzu?

[psychic vampire.]

I don't know a single anarchist who actually believes that.

Well, the unifying concept behind anarchism is that our systems cannot truly be remade within their own constraints which in practice assumes that revolution occurs within a vacuum something with which history strongly disagrees. Displacing power requires power.

I don't remember how the discussion got to this point...

You don't need to explain to me the unifying concepts behind anarchism, i've been shat half my life away on the idea. (I would also argue that is not at all the unifying concept, but i digress). But basically no american anarchists actually believe that a revolution is going to occur. I don't disagree that displacing power requires power, i think it's a fallacy to equate power with authority, though. Not really the conversation i'm looking for. Mostly just want to posit that there are enough anarchisms, even in this country, that it feels disingenuous to make blanket statements about everyone who agrees with anything resembling those ideas

[Derelict78]

The difference between a protest vote for a candidate who has no actual shot at winning and the protest votes to leave is, actually, nil. For the most famous example, see: Nadar, Ralph. Thanks for playing, though.

I have spent the better part of six years under Paul LePage because the people who thought he was bad (a 61% majority) couldn't get their shit together. I refuse to entertain the idea of living under Trump in similar circumstances. Fuck. That.

No fuck this. This is retarded.
I will NOT vote for Trump, he would make an awful president.
I will NOT vote for Clinton, she would make an awful president.
I don't buy into the lesser of two evils a I won't guilt vote for someone to keep someone else out of office.
I believe out of the 4 candidates that can statistically win, Johnson would do the best job.