help me find a SAMPLER!

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Re: help me find a SAMPLER!

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Not sure how helpful this is going to be...how do you help someone find their new favorite color? :hobbes:
So many options now, a sampler can fit on a keyboard stand, in a rack or your pocket. Getting one with "the sound" you desire is paramount; if your smartphone can do it better then save your money.

I feel like the 16bit Roland SP202/303/404etc modules are very capable, hifi samplers. Some clunky workflow aside, they do capture impressively detailed high end, but audio that goes into them doesn't "just sound better" when it comes out unless you eq things yourself. They're quite flat/linear in response and I think they greatly benefit from addition of a simple base eq curve with boosted lows and cut highs...like +2db 60hz with wide q or low shelf, and -2dB 12khz high shelf. Mids to taste based on source and purpose. But at this point I feel like the apps for iOS sound just as good when run through the same eq. Even straight from the headphone jack, without an additional audio interface.

8, 12 and the occasional 13bit samplers from the 80s are quite distinct in their sound, largely due to the numerous proprietary converters, algorithms and filter chips that were used. Mostly considered lofi, the sounds they're capable of producing can be massive; even iconic with interesting textures resulting from digital artifacts, particularly from the technique of sampling 33.3rpm records at 45rpm and then tuning down in the machine to stretch limited memory as far as possible. Those limitations are dealbreakers for many and part of the allure to some of us. Cramped sample memory, aging hardware, obsolete i/o and media formats, massive footprint etc...not so much. It's the sound and workflow that keeps people using them even though something like an MPC 5000 or MV-8800 can supposedly "do it all" or whatever. It just doesn't do what I want. AFAIC Plugins and emulators have yet to nail the 12bit-nonlinear thing...but ymmv
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Re: help me find a SAMPLER!

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Dudes. If I'm obsessed with "Since I Left You" by the Avalanches, and wanted to try my hand at something that might be 1/1000th as good as that, what would be a good moderately priced yet goodly-featured sampler? I need to do a lot more research... a lot of sampling terms I don't understand. But if I wanted to basically sample my record collection, create some loops, and then layer samples on top of that... what might be a good place to start?

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I can't believe I want an iphone just for mangling samples :facepalm:
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Pop wrote:Dudes. If I'm obsessed with "Since I Left You" by the Avalanches, and wanted to try my hand at something that might be 1/1000th as good as that, what would be a good moderately priced yet goodly-featured sampler? I need to do a lot more research... a lot of sampling terms I don't understand. But if I wanted to basically sample my record collection, create some loops, and then layer samples on top of that... what might be a good place to start?

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Re: help me find a SAMPLER!

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How about the KORG electribe?

http://www.korg.com/us/products/dj/electribe/


Compared to the Roland sp-404SX, say. They seem to be about the same thing, I guess. Slight price difference.

Are this KORG here and that Roland there about as close you can get to a quality "beginner" type of sampler?
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korg electribe is maybe more sequencer based. more knobs on hand. maybe more traditional type of sampler / groove box kinda thing?
SP is different.

fwiw, i had the synth version of the electribe 2 and i did not like it at all. clunky interface, thought it sounded really thin and lifeless. at first i thought it was maybe all in my head, but i just plugged in another device and immediately heard the difference. maybe the sampler is better. the ESX version of the electribe (red w/ tubes) is i think the real gem there.
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Re: help me find a SAMPLER!

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Ok cool. I don't know too much about KORG stuff... never owned anything by them.

I HAVE however owned a slew of BOSS/Roland stuff, and it always works well. Some of my best recordings were done on a BOSS BR-8... shit was really simple.

Alright, well, I'll keep reading.

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