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Postby doommeow » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:18 pm

Tour box arrived! :!!!:

5 minutes with the SQWVGen became an hour plus..... very cool. My first experience with anything from the PLL family. I get the impression that the thing is the gated synthy stuff, right. It does that, it does that just fine. But for me, it's the smooth infinite sustain stuff, that's the win. Real smooth. Billy D Williams showing up at your house on May 5th, with a Princess Leia outfit for your lady to wear, handing you the keys to the Falcon, and offering to catsit smooove. Big thick walls of gain. Slabs really, like there's a hint of modulation or that feel of running multiple cabs. Fat, creamy, with the right bite you can dial in w/ the tone/wave ctrl w/o significant low end loss. Sonic fucking bacon.

Want the doom in the bedroom, this is your joint.

Andrew (it's andrew, right, I'm horrible w/ names). Wanna make a million dollars (which in the handmade gear world means like a few grand)? Do a nonglitchy, tone control starting @ 12 and up, lighter voiced version of this for the bluez hammer tone lawyer set. Put it in a 125B, three knobs, call it the infinidrive or the bluesstain or the cerulean rabbit, charge $299, and watch the tgp set crash their lexuses and break into their wives pill funds to get their hands on that action. Just sayin.

Hope to hit the rest of the box tomorrow. :snax: :love: :yay: :hug: :hello:
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby intothegroove » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:06 pm

jwar wrote:Sorry I did make a video of the Blackbox. I posted it somewhere? It's awesome dude! All of them were awesome! LOL!


WICKED! :joy: I am so happy you enjoyed them buddy! :hug: :excellent:
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Postby intothegroove » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:16 pm

doommeow, Dude, you have the greatest reviews! THANK YOU! :hug: And yes it's Andrew :lol: :thumb: I guess I'll get to work on that tgp panty soaking Overdrive :lol: Actually, I have been refining the BlackBox circuit, I just want to work some more stuff out and it'll be ready to blow some faces off! :lol: :animal: :excellent:
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Postby doommeow » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:26 pm

intothegroove wrote:doommeow, Dude, you have the greatest reviews! THANK YOU! :hug: And yes it's Andrew :lol: :thumb:


No, thank you!

I haven't tried all of the builders in the Shark Tank or ILF at large, but you're making some exciting and more importantly inspirational gear. Seriously, right on.



A (hopefully) longer review is on the way, but in the meantime, initial reverb thoughts....

1. It's a reverb. With two gain knobs. From canada. Of course it's gonna do Neil Young.
2. Put wood panelling on it, add expression jacks for all the controls (PLEASE :poke: ), and don't be surprised if something thinks it's the new over the top box from Moog (also, canadian)
3. Seriously, why is Canada so fucking awesome?
3b. Just when and where do I send my money? :picard:


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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby doommeow » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:43 pm

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Of all the I/E units, this one may be the most aptly named. The Blackbox. The mysterious thing that will explain what happened when no one can find your bloated burned lost-at-sea plane-crashed carcass….

The ideas that come to mind when someone mentions ‘overdrive’ - green box, maybe blue, less likely red; probably 3 knobs, possibly 2 or 4; likely limited eq based around a bass cut and/or mid boost; really only one basic sound and easy dial in, plug’n’play; Phish, Blues Hammer, Stevie Ray, Stevie Nicks.

Put those ideas aside.

I’m not an overdrive guy. My primary, remotely traditional dirt sources are my amp (Traynor Reverb Master) and/or a pair of Fryette SAS units (EF86 tube units that go from clean boost to power amp melt down). So i’m probably not the best judge of character when it comes to dirt, whether it be for the ILF crowd or the musician world at large.

All that said, the Blackbox is VERY cool.

The combo of MV, Clean Blend, and Drive circuit is PERFECT and something that needs to be implemented in more designs. So many builders, especially those making overdrives, are going for lowest common denominator - but all of us here prove that’s a mistake, no? There’s so many different usage cases where having access to those three simple tools on a dirt box can be a game changer. In a marketplace so often build around hype and various churches of cool, sometimes we forget that smart is sexy.

Bass / Baritone/ Downtune players - yup, you’ll dig it. I’m sure Andrew has mapped this on a scope and can speak with more authority, but I haven’t noticed any low end roll off (again, big bottle Traynor, currently through a pair of Trace 2x10 ported bass cabs); and there’s that Clean Blend if you need/want to dial in more of your FUNdamental.

Plenty of volume on tap with the MV. Seems to be independent of the Blend circuit, right? I could see some people having a complaint about that, but I see it as a nit pick, no issue here.

The other three controls - HP Filter, Bias, and a toggle switch….. This is one of those pedals with them blasted ‘interactive’ controls…. that on first blush might not seem to do very much… and then they interact… and then you’re the one blushing…

My first hour with the Blackbox, I was randomly fidtwiddling with the HP, Bias, and toggle options. Got some sutble-ish changes, but nothing earthshatting over… And then I locked into some setting where a slight knob twist or toggle tip yeilded significant changes in tone, treble, texture and lost another hour.... So don’t get me wrong, the more subtle random changes still sounded great, but there’s definitely more sounds to be had that I’ve had time to find. I’m curious enough that I’m already considering how the hell I could make room for three I/E boxes on my board (I’M GETTING A REVERB DAMNIT, IF NOT SERIAL #1, YA HEARD).... This is one of those ones for woodshedding and keeping a moleskine and minigolf pencil handy.

Going back a step…. I’m not an overdrive guy…. Running this clean into my amp, I thought it sounded and felt best dialed up hot, more into the distortion and borderline fuzz’d territories (although there was some noise to me had at higher settings - could also be due to the questionable state of one of the tubes in my amp. ymmv, kyeo.) Thick, but biting. Able to change the treble emphasis based on the combo of HP/Bias/Toggle (again, reread last graph, need to spend more time with this to really grok). Can get into really sharp, x-acto on chalkboard, kinda stuff if you’re looking for that. The part of my that has spent too much time in courtrooms wants to say that it has more than enough midrange emphasis to standout in a mix, without any loss of low /lowmid punch and depth. Shocking rather than haunting mids. Damn cool. The right combination of HP/Bias/Toggle plus the verb and trem from my amp got me into some MBV regions...

Where it shines, for me, is stacked with other dirt. My test case, into my semi-cranked Traynor. Your basis green/blue/red overdrive, they’ll give you some extra gain, a little push, maybe shape a certain frequency range or color. This is a fucking feedback palette. Your amp (or stacked dirt of choice) is already working hard enough that just the signal from your pickups has it cooking, the Blend from the Blackbox lets you mix that clean signal with the Black dirt, plus the volume boost from the MV, plus all the texture shaping from the HP/Bias/toggle stuff. It’s Rothko and Pollock. In a knife fight. In 4D.

So quit your yoga class. Give up on meditation. Fire your therapist. Cancel your circumcision/baptism/indoctrination. Believe in amplifier worship. Find the Blackbox.

Killer.


Bonus that I just noticed - bro uses the same style indicator lamp that’s on my traynor. Fuck yeah for canada, I’m sold.
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby intothegroove » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:52 pm

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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby doommeow » Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:44 am

So I rapped quixotic about the Blackbox overdrive being so aptly named... This one, Incinerator, is the name appropriate?

I don’t know much about history, urban construction, or waste management, but the word incinerator makes me think of block housing, things efficient but likely less than safe or enviro-friendly, something potentially mismanaged but primarily utilitarian, pedestrian, commonplace, now an artifact of a day gone by.

None of that is the kind of excitement that I’ve come to expect from Industrialelectric. And it’s certainly not what I found with the Incinerator fuzz.

I saved the Incinerator for last, partially due to circumstance, partially due to thinking it was the unit in which I’d be least interested. Wrong was I. As much as I’d wished I’d had more time with this one, I’m glad I didn’t try it first - I’d have spent all week with the damn thing….




Basic description - Two channel fuzz with lots of switchable options. Stomp switches for bypass and between the two channels. Toggle switch for selecting between NPN vs PNP transistors. Individual toggle switches for turning on the Oscillation modes for each of the two channels. And a Toggle for changing the character of the oscillation on Channel 2.

The two channel operation is a definite plus, justifying the size of the enclosure, letting you go from workhorse fuzz to all out electroshock oscillating gonzanity.

The two channels are similar - and I can’t tell from the manual whether or not they are suppose to be identical. All I know is that Channel two seems to be more prone towards the wild oscillation madness than channel one, and when it’s in OSC mode, it’s definitely the more unseemly of the two. (I’m also willing to chalk this up to my still wrapping my noggin’ round all the options.)


I haven’t seen them all, but most of the demos I’ve caught have seemed to focus on the Incinerator as a noise/OSC/glitch monster - and we’ll get to that…. but’s it’s got a great work-a-day fuzz sound. I could see it being a stand-in for how I use my muff(clone, civil war ish, iirc). Dynamic, heavy without going straight to mush and taking over your sound entirely. GREAT decay - can dial in these rolling waves that then fade as the air in the room folds and blooms. Killer. Bet it would made a great bass fuzz, but sadly I’m not currently set up to give that a proper whirl.

No tone control, but even in this non-OSC mode, it’s not a one hump camel. Between the input and output knobs and the volume knob on your guitar (as well as any other gain devices between the two and your amp) there’s still a range of sound to be found, and plenty of volume on tap if you’re just looking for something to push your amp closer into filth.

Dig deeper into the Incinerator, that’s where the REAL filth is to be had….


You can control the madness, yes. Lots of textures to be had, without going into full-blown meltdown, Fukushima rather than Hiroshima. Sharp edges if you’re looking for more angular sword fighting tones. Lots of stuff that reminded me of Carrie Brownstein, circa the Woods and Wild Flag. Windmills, high kicks, and psychedelia abound.

That decay I was talking about earlier, you can augment it even more in the OSC mode - whether simply going for a longer decay with a little more drama, or something akin to a sample and hold, where that chord is drawn out, broken down, and filtered through it’s individual parts. It’s sounds like your life flashing before your ears - or a brief trip through hell.

Want even more madness. Channel two, just start digging in. Flip switches. Tone and volume knobs are your friends. Or not. Depending on your opinion, opening up new flavors of gating and oscillation. HUGE tonal shifts - multi octave? - like an autotuned Mariah Carey chugging bottles of drano. Drones. 8-bit glitch. Static. Singularity. Suffocating walls of gravel. Love.

This is not pedestrian, commonplace. This is not some onanistically stuck-together pile of nostalgia. No. This is that dark, fire filled pit, underneath us, the bottom of which can’t be seen through the flames. The Incinerator isn’t where the bodies are buried; it’s where they burn, and disappear.


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I want one.
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby intothegroove » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:51 pm

DUDE! HAHAHAHHAAAA!!! FUCK YES!!!!!! :joy: :omg: :!!!: :hug: :hug: :hug: :animal: :excellent: :rock: :rock: I absolutely love your reviews man, you should be writing gear reviews in magazines! Thank you so much!!!
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Postby Tristan » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:54 pm

Oh boy oh boy, it seems like I'm going to be next! :joy: :omg: :!!!: :joy: :omg: :!!!:
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Postby doommeow » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:39 pm

From Spanish Harlem to probably not at all Spanish Haarlem, the tour box has left the building.

Knowing how international shipping and my particularly fuckclustered post office work, it's gonna take at least a week to get there. I'll post some more of my semi-conscious/psychotic/ :facepalm: /unintelligable ramblings at some point to fill the time in between...

Godspeed! you black tour box, we barely knew ye. :hello:
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Postby Tristan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:46 pm

:lol:
Awesome ramblings sir!
In fact I do know some Spanish people, only they don't live in Haarlem but in Amsterdam indeed.
Yeah, it might take a week or two for it to get here but that's no problem.
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby doommeow » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:17 am

Fuck.


My time with the tour box has come to a close. I’m already going through withdrawal.

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I/you really need a week with each unit in the tour box - each device is so different from each other and from most/all of what else is out there, and most importantly fun cool and inspiring to play. A week with each or just fucking break down and buy them all.


:picard:

I already own one (the Echo Degrader), have already sent payment in on a second (the Reverb Machine, review pending), and am seriously considering at least a third :picard: :picard: …. (not to mention imagining what two Reverb Machines could do….)


I once quipped elsewhere, before I knew what I know, that I could get by with an all I/E board. And I stand by that statement. And I think lots of us could.

Need a heavy/stony/doomy rig, take any two of the I/E dirt boxes and call me when you get out on bail. Need to go from doom to true gloom, make one of them the Incinerator. Need some ultra abrasive noise gloom, Incinerator + Echo Degrader. Doing anything outside of the traditional clean delay realm, Echo Degrader MUST be on your to try list. Doing anything where you need to create and then bend/warp/headfuck a sense of space, Reverb Machine will make you it’s bitch….

I love most of my gear, but if I had nothing but these five pedals (including the Echo Degrader, which isn’t in the tour. That's right, who wants to touch me) to use for the rest of my days, I’d still have endless sounds to explore and be ecstatic doing so. Kudos, Andrew, you’ve done good. Keep up the GREAT work.
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby doommeow » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:09 pm

I was so blown away by the Reverb Machine that I Started writing this review immediately after my first playing session. Real life got in the way, then more playing sessions came and went, reviewing the other pedals in the tour box felt like a priority, etc….

My initial notes on the RM were written before I’d read the bulk of the RM thread, which I (re)read in full as a means of passing time (read - toan stalking) while I’d run errands with my wife, waiting out alternate side parking, etc. So much had been said that was spot the fuck on, that thread made me wonder if my review was even necessary.

Hell. The RM is so inspiring that, paired with my personal brand of insanity, I’d imagine doing the review as nothing more than a treatment as to a film short. Post modern (mortem) spaghetti western. The Cowboy's last thoughts as he proceeds to throw himself in the river, after discovering that the wife, dog, pick-up truck, and horse that he lost, not only are they all having a polygamous affair without him, but they’ve where able to get a table at Rao’s….

All that said, we’ve got time and digital pages to fill as the tour box travels overseas and since I’ve taken the time to share my .2 bitcoin on the rest of the set, what do I have to say about the RM….

Toe-jam/navel-lint-gazing, Mobhitwesterns, drones, praise&whorship, country and lonesome crowded midwesterns, 1-2-3 sheets to the space wind, 1 - 2 ply sheets’o'soundscape, dry arid deserts, mesas, tundras, scorched earth one year later, stick figures drawn in blood on the sides of caves, the fingernail on the side of well in Silence of the Lambs. Yes, it’s all there.

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All of the things you’ll expect from a) most any experiment friendly reverb pedal and/or b) you’ve come to expect from IE (or at least my ramshackle rambles about such). And we’ll touch on that.

But let’s go in an entirely different direction.

This isn't just reverb pedal, it falls into a different and more specialized category than that. It's an amp in a box pedal. It might be the best amp in a box I've played - it's biggest disappointment is that the amp that it's emulating doesn't exist.
If it did most of us here would already own one (or more), or would have sold one (or more), and/or would have them on our eBay watch/ porn lists. and/or all of the above.

Think about it. Two gain stages. Able to blend your clean with your dirt due to interactive dual gain vs level vs mix ctrls. Footswitchable reverb. With more than 2 pots to manipulate the reverb character. Feedback on demand at ANY FUCKING VOLUME. And a built in droner? If this said Sunn, Traynor, or Peavey on the front and 6l6, 6550, and or 2ohm on the back...there would be bloodshed over in the main b/s/t with everyone trying to get their hands on something like this....

Within that first playing session I was ready to throw down what ever was necessary to get my hands on one of these. (That fact that it's only a stompbox and priced as such helped - if it was a hand built amp I still would've had to found a way to pony up ASAP if not just as quickly)

See, I’m love the idea of reverb, but generally find myself disappointed. A good reverse reverb I can always find a place for, but more traditional units leave me feelling meh. Doesn’t matter if it’s tube or ss, analog or digital, amp or stomp based, I’ve had trouble finding something I really loved for a versatile world shaping tool. Something to get lost in. I want something between Neil circa Dead Man OST, cuz that beautiful and fucking monstrous, and, IDK, the conceit behind Inception, the rabbit hole, that keeps getting deeper, from which you just might not be able to wake.

The reverb on my Traynor is fine. Not the worst I’ve dealt with, not sure if I’ve had better. Had enough disappointments that I haven’t put much effort time cash into exploring modding that part of the circuit at all. For my main verb, I’d settled on the EHX Cathedral, but that’s really more of a tool weapon for shaping walls of filth. I can use it to pummel/maim/eviscerate you in a dozen different ways, yes, but haven’t found it useful for building the mile high sarcophagus in which I’d like to store the bodies…


And along came the Reverb Machine….


This is just about everything I’ve ever wanted in a reverb pedal, and by far bar none hands down the closest I’ve EVER gotten in a single, non-rack, pedal based unit. Part of the reason a) this review was so late in coming, b) I had the tour box a day or two longer that I technical should, and c) I didn’t take the time to go back over some of the issues I’d like to have explore on some of the other I/E units, is the Reverb Machine is just too damn fun. Could not stop playing it.

The gain controls. Two of ‘em. Can’t tell if they are identical circuits that sound slightly different due to being at different locations in the signal path or if they really are different and happy to sound similar due to the circuitry between them. (This next phase or similar will probably pop up more than once) I was too busy wailing thru the fucking thing to pay much attention to low or high end roll off, but needless to say they sound great. The was not obvious lack in the sound spectrum - IIRC, I’d say the opposite was true, a thickening thing was possible, depending on how you dialed in the combination of Gain 1 vs Gain 2 vs the rest of the mix, level, sundry reverb ctrls. Also meant to come back and do a dedicated study of how the Gain vs Level vs Mix interacted or were independent - again, too busy, rocks off, socks off - maybe Andrew or some other tour members can add their recollections.

I’ve certainly used gain with reverb before, both before and after, but Industrialectric has developed something special here. The way these three pieces of the circuit work, it’s not just symbiotic, it’s like it’s a single entity. It’s one of the most successful implementations of disparate circuit ideas in a single unit.

The reverb, by itself, is just about perfect. Not a enough of a spring emulation for purists and absolutists, but does a better job, IMO, than the Cathedral or IIRC the Holy Grail and it’s derivative. Certainly can get you into that plink plonk drip drop that they love so much. Faux kicked-the-tank sounds are there. And yes, with the gain, Neil.

Plate, things of that nature, I’m not an expert and so I’m not going to comment. I use plate in very specific ways that go against what I think of most plate reverbs sounding like. BUT if you want cold, frigid, dare I say harsh, it’s there.

Murk is there. Crud is there. Thick greasy colonic caverns are there. Warmth heart beating postcoital bliss is there. Bounce, ambience, illbience, it’s there. And there’s more there that I haven’t even found yet - I spent 99% of my time with the mix at some position that I’ve already forgotten, and the Depth and Tone pots at noon - but there’s definitely more brightness there if needed, more textures than I had time to explore in 7+ days.

The feedback momentary. Does exactly what you’d expect it to. If you’re gentle you can get some faux tank sounds on the right lower corresponding settings. Working with it in time can get rhythmic effects. Trick for those of your using this bent over your desk (or kickdisk style….and see my EXP notes below) : start with the FB pot at some setting below Maximum, hit and hold the momentary then bring the FB pot up to Max, when you let go of the switch that maximum feedback sound will keep going, which you can then manipulate with the pot or instantaneously take back to max with the stomp. A semiobvious trick, but a fun one and a starting point for the uninitiated.

And for those that like that bent over the desk idea…. I really only spent a few brief minutes using the RM as a No Input device and barely played with the Drone one it’s own. What I heard I like and I grok. Definitely a capable tool worth exploring. As is so often the case with all things ILF, the key is the balance of the pre vs post gain settings….HUGE rumbles of evil can be found….

Also worth noting. My wife and I have been living together for close to 13 years. She came home last week while I was plugged into the RM - first time she has ever, EVER, said anything remotely positive about the sound(s) coming from my gear.

I can't tell you how awesome this thing sounds.


Some nitpicks.

Trails. Not something that’s a dealbreaker for me (obvs, considering the lightness of my wallet), but may be an issue for some. Peeps like trails.
Stereo. Again, not issue for me. Despite my two boards of interconnected mess, I don’t run true stereo, and when I do it’s more a matter of noise rig vs guitar rig vs mixer. But some peeps do, and I can imagine a half a half dozen reasons why someone might want to with the Reverb Machine. Do note, this section of the review is entitled nit picks - maybe it should be entitled “entitled”.... That said, if that circuit gnomes were going to work their magic, rather than stereo I’d prefer an optional output for the feedback and/or drone. Even cooler, an FX loop option for the feedback and/or drone path(s)....
Expression. Any and everywhere. Sounds like Andrew hoped to make it possible but the circuit wouldn’t cooperate. Still. Dream we shall. (A super Venus deluxe version with an fx loop and expression ctrls for feedback both gain ctrls and maybe 1-3 other things. Would the enclosure need to be twice as large? I don't care. Would it cost two or three times as much? Fuck you, I always wanted to rob a bank. Sign me up.)

This review, long as it is, feels incomplete. Why? Because I’m incomplete. The RM is on it’s way to Europe and MY RM is being built in Canada. Until then, I can only wait and stare ceaselessly into the drone.

So. tl:dr. Awesome. One of the best / most versatile / inspiring / unique / fucking funnest reverbs ever. Maybe one of my favorite circuits EVER. Ladies dig it. I’ve already bought one, so should you. Canada gaze evil love.
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Re: Tour box! Demo's start on page 6!

Postby doommeow » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:14 pm

Also.

This.

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This is pulchritude my friends.

Start with fairly mild settings on each, I'd go with depth around noon, feedback all the way down. Play pretty for... Hit the momentary on the RM, that long slow gorgeous drawl of the feedback building up and just before (or after, depending on your swagger) it reaches true chaos you then hit (again either switching or adding depending on your proclivities at any given moment) the momentary on the Echo Degrader... It's. Fuck. It's just so cool.

Setting aside all of the feel you can get from subtle timing shifts with the momentaries, the rising and falling sound of the RM feedback cycling as it's recorded onto the ED's virtual tape head, and then the tape warps, spools off onto to floor and the thing catches on fire.

It's glorious.
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Postby intothegroove » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:41 pm

BUDDY!!!!!! HAHAHHAAHAHAAAA!!! FUCK YES!!! YOU ARE THE BEST DUDE!!!! :joy: :omg: :hug: :animal: :rock: :rock: :rock: I am so happy you love my pedals! Thank you so much for the incredible reviews! I feel so proud and honoured that I have inspired someone so much :joy: THANK YOU!!!!!! I can't wait to get yours ready man! :excellent: I really appreciate you taking the time to explain how you you feel about them, wicked reviews dude, absolutely wicked! :hug:
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