What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?



Moderator: Ghost Hip

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:04 am

I would somewhat cheekily suggest that the people applauding after the first verse did so because they were entertained.

Music is, and popular music always has been, both entertainment and art. We can find examples of "the wrong kind of appreciation" from the dawn of time and examples of "the good kind of appreciation" from whenever the last day of gigs was. :idk:
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby dubkitty » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:23 am

i differ and say that they were saying "this is a good one." listen to the roar on 4WS when Graham Nash breaks out "Chicago," his song about the Chicago 8 trial, at the Auditorium Theatre in Chicago a few blocks from the Federal Courthouse. when he sang:

though your brother's bound and gagged
and they've chained him to a chair
won't you please come to Chicago
just to sing?

he was speaking for all of us in that moment, a gesture of solidarity far from "entertainment."
"today is made up of yesterday and tomorrow"--Marty Balin, 1967

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni

FIFTY YEARS OF SCARING THE CHILDREN 1970-2020
dubkitty

User avatar
IAMILFFAMOUS
IAMILFFAMOUS
 
Posts: 12053
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:03 pm
Location: living in the heart of the beast

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby dubkitty » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:26 am

for me Radiohead is a modern version of that. they speak directly to my hopelessness, anomie, alienation, and general sense of being an alien alone on a hostile planet. hearing Thom i feel "thank lower-case god, i'm not the only one" in the same way CSNY channeled the horror of Kent State into "Ohio." or Black Flag did with "Rise Above."
"today is made up of yesterday and tomorrow"--Marty Balin, 1967

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni

FIFTY YEARS OF SCARING THE CHILDREN 1970-2020
dubkitty

User avatar
IAMILFFAMOUS
IAMILFFAMOUS
 
Posts: 12053
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:03 pm
Location: living in the heart of the beast

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:40 am

I was being entirely tongue in cheek about the applause thing. But like, since before then, people applauded solos, or before "classical music" became this rarified thing they applauded at particularly good bits of an orchestral piece, etc. I think in a lot of these instances the line between "entertained" and "appreciating a piece of art" is not a line. It's all kind of the same, and I certainly don't think it's separated in any meaningful way between then and now. For all I know they're still doing this at folk clubs, I don't go to folk clubs. :lol:

As a sort of corollary to that, I get none of those things you mention about Radiohead out of them, at least on a conscious level that I would ever definitively articulate. But I still like and appreciate their music a lot as art and entertainment. I would wager a lot of people clapping at Radiohead gigs are just thinking "that song is great and they played it great". Or maybe some of them are thinking "this is boring when are they going to play Creep?".
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby dubkitty » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:52 pm

of course. but there are also a sizeable number who, like me, hang on to their music like a life preserver in a force 10 gale. you can hear it when we sing along.
"today is made up of yesterday and tomorrow"--Marty Balin, 1967

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni

FIFTY YEARS OF SCARING THE CHILDREN 1970-2020
dubkitty

User avatar
IAMILFFAMOUS
IAMILFFAMOUS
 
Posts: 12053
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:03 pm
Location: living in the heart of the beast

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:57 pm

Oh no singing along :lol: :lol:

Now there's something that mostly bugs me at shows
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby VREEEEVROOOOOW » Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:54 pm

People often start clapping whenever we transition to a quiet part. Again, it would irk me if I were in the audience, but on stage, I honestly do not care.

Still haven't figured out a "solution" to this, and have a gig on Friday where there'll be a lengthy tuning session from DADGBD to CGCGBC, but oh well. People insist we have a good "stage presence", despite just standing with our backs to the audience, not talking at all, being fairly stationary, and spending a bunch of time tuning and catching our breath between songs, so I guess it's fine.
VREEEEVROOOOOW

committed
committed
 
Posts: 468
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:23 am

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:02 pm

I guess clapping in the quiet part is better than zero clapping. Now I'm just jealous you have gigs :lol:
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby voerking » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:18 pm

downtime between songs is fine, maybe even good. people in bands stress about awkward silences, but i think it's sometimes beneficial for there to be some relief during the set, especially if it's really loud music being played. i'd much rather have a short break to talk to the person next to me, or order a drink at the bar without having to scream than be assaulted by looper noise between every song!
voerking

User avatar
experienced
experienced
 
Posts: 832
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:07 am
Location: Saint Louis

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:53 pm

Yeah I am inclined to agree. Quiet-ish between song noise can be nice too, or in some shows constant noise can work but not every day
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby voerking » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:21 pm

this thread reminds of when i saw the For Carnation at a small basement bar back in the 90's & Brian McMahon spent a REALLY long time tuning between the first few songs. this particular venue had a pole in the middle of the stage. after his third or fourth lengthy tuning break, he was turning around to face the crowd & he smacked his guitar into the pole...so he started slowly tuning again & a huge wave of GROANS that turned into laughter & heckling rolled through the crowd. so maybe not all tuning breaks are great. :D
voerking

User avatar
experienced
experienced
 
Posts: 832
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:07 am
Location: Saint Louis

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby dubkitty » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:31 pm

when i used to do solo acoustic stuff and broke a string i'd tell bad jokes while i fixed it as quickly as i could.
"today is made up of yesterday and tomorrow"--Marty Balin, 1967

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni

FIFTY YEARS OF SCARING THE CHILDREN 1970-2020
dubkitty

User avatar
IAMILFFAMOUS
IAMILFFAMOUS
 
Posts: 12053
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:03 pm
Location: living in the heart of the beast

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby chromandre » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:05 pm

oh yes, relief is the best word for it. it's the ultimate assignment in ambient music composition. you just need some kind of vague sound that is conversational in volume and interesting enough to keep the vibe going, and I guess some banter would do the trick, but on the other hand you have a closet full of weird ass pedals that would totally cover for your lack of personality
chromandre

User avatar
committed
committed
 
Posts: 189
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:14 pm

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:56 am

I think that is what pedals are for in general, so makes sense
coldbrightsunlight

User avatar
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 12295
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: UK

Re: What to do when you have to tune a lot during shows?

Postby Dandolin » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:39 am

i thought that was what keyboardists were for? :idk:
On an other board, in another time:
"I also have a Fat Goat HB/P90 on my bastardized f-hollowed V, which is made of God-knows what kind of wood and of how many pieces. That guitar sounded OK when I installed one Shlabotnik pup on it; it actually became alive, very soaring; but I ended up preferring the Fat Goat, which gives me a darker, more "barking" tone as well as more "CHANK" and (maybe) better dynamics when played clean."
Dandolin

User avatar
IAMILFFAMOUS
IAMILFFAMOUS
 
Posts: 8171
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:33 pm
Location: On the pharm in PA

Previous

Return to Guitar and Bass



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests


Sponsored Ad. (Please no inflated/repetitive clicking. Thanks!)

Advertisements help support ILF


ilovefuzz.com is not responsible for user-submitted content. Users participate at their own discretion and risk.